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For Catholics: What shall we do...
23 March A.D. 2002 | father_elijah

Posted on 03/23/2002 5:34:00 AM PST by father_elijah

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To: father_elijah
Believe in Jesus, he is faithful. Understand that the church, any church, is full of unreliable sinners. Jesus is who we believe not the church.
41 posted on 03/23/2002 7:03:08 AM PST by marbren
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To: chit*chat
Because they hate the Church.

Consider. Statistics show that the molestation factor is a factor across the board, protestant, catholic, what have you. But the only newsworthy molestation is that done by an RC Priest. Why? All religions stand nominally against this sort of thing, but only the Catholic Church embodies All That They Hate. It is against Abortion, it does not Ordinate women, it is ruled almost as a monarchy, thus the 'will of the people' is not observed. Moreover, for a millenium it has fed the starving, clothed the naked, and so forth, but all in the name, not of human rights, but of Jesus Christ.

This is intolerable.

Thus the targeting of the Church.

While I am no member of the "Latin or Nuttin'" crowd, I do believe that the heirarchy in the Developed Nations has abdicated much of their authority. Mostly in rosy hopes of better things to come. Much of the current controversy stems from the fact that twenty years ago, the heirarchy was confronted with a shameful abomination, but they were told by men of great secular learning that the men who had committed these acts could be 'cured', 'rehabilitated,' to again lead a productive life.

We now see this for the idiocy it is. You might as well put an alchoholic through AA, and then tell him to work in a distillery.

Moreover, the Catholic problem allows the 'progressive' types a way out. If a minister of a protestant church molests a teenage boy, what is the excuse? He is permitted normal sexual relations, his desires have not been stymied by an antiquated moral code. No, there is left nowhere to run. Only the truth remains. That a man in authority over a boy took advantage of him.

What does that sound like to you? I believe the term is Chickenhawking?

Ah, but with the Catholic Church, we have an out! It's not that this priest was a homosexual, and took advantage of his flock, no! He was a Forced Celibate! If only he were allowed all the sexual freedom that he needed, this would not have happened.

It's not his fault, you see, it's the fault of that Sex-hating, Homophobic, Mysogynistic Church of his. If only they'd come into the twenty-first century, he'd have been fine. Maybe he would have had a wife or a life partner; it's not his fault; it's not the fault of the gay guy, it's the fault of the church!

I personally foresee a massive housecleaning. And it ain't gonna be pretty. But what Lithasis fails to note is that this is primarily a problem in Euro America. The church still has her strong priests, but they are, naturally, the one's who's faith has been tested by more stringent means than 'sex' and 'what do I give up for lent this year'. Look to the priests of Asia, Africa and South America, the ones who's positions bring them threats of imprisonment and death, to see the steel in the Church.

Stand fast, fellow Catholics.

If they be guilty, remove them.

Let not the innocent be tarnished with this scandal. For many Priests (my own confessor included) are brought to tears by this state of affairs.

Lithasis' former comrades may believe they have beaten us. Let them join the ranks. Hitler, Stalin, Attila, how many other tyrants, schisms, heresies throuout history? And yet after two millenia, the church founded upon the Rock still stands.

42 posted on 03/23/2002 7:03:51 AM PST by Mr. Thorne
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To: Lemonhead
They (the media) never mention all of the good things that priests and nuns have done for this country.

And they refuse to report on an institution which has even a greater problem with sexual abuse of kids: government schools.

Click on my screen name for over 125 FR posts on the subject. A kid is sexually assualt by a school employee, on average, once a day in the NYC school system. Been tracking it for almost a year and there are several cases a week reported in the media. But few ever go national.

43 posted on 03/23/2002 7:08:45 AM PST by LarryLied
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To: LaBelleDameSansMerci
You absolutely must not permit the cynicism planted in your heart by the flagrant attackers of the church and their limited sucesses to hold sway! If you can think across a millenium of the monks in Ireland, holding onto their faith, and building, bit by bit with their intellect and deep spirituality, back a foundation of the faith which re-emerged across Europe, then you can be heartened. Moreover, if you have allowed this much cynicism to disavow your heart of our Lord, you must open up your NewTtestament and start at the beginning. He will speak directly to you there and you will not be able to refuse His reality. V's wife.
44 posted on 03/23/2002 7:10:34 AM PST by ventana
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To: LarryLied
See post 42

If they report it at the school, it's a personal issue, but if they report it at the church, it's the Pope's fault!

45 posted on 03/23/2002 7:10:50 AM PST by Mr. Thorne
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To: Judith Anne
Uh oh....my husband accompanies the the choir at our parish and I sing in it; we use music from Dan Shutte and Michael Joncas. There's no hope for us...I guess we're going straight to hell! Our Mass is said in English and everything! (shivering)
46 posted on 03/23/2002 7:11:02 AM PST by ward_of_the_state
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To: ward_of_the_state
Haha! I will say this: "Here I am Lord" is one of the loveliest new hymns I have ever heard. I'm a nurse, and I work nights (I'm definitely not a day person) and the words, "I have heard You calling in the night" come into my heart whenever I hear a call button beep...Also, I love the Psalms set to music, "On Eagle's Wings" comes to mind...and the song, "Be Not Afraid" is wonderful, too...
47 posted on 03/23/2002 7:15:28 AM PST by Judith Anne
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To: ward_of_the_state
That said, I wonder why every single Catholic and Protestant pro-life clergyman hasn't been arrested for pro-life picketing, don't you? Where are they? Leading their flocks? Where?
48 posted on 03/23/2002 7:17:17 AM PST by Judith Anne
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To: Judith Anne
You know, it's said when you sing, you're praying twice. While I certainly understand the longing for the pre-Vatican II days, the problems that the media feeding frenzy are ruminating on have always been there; it's just that news is now instant and anything they want to target they can. Remember, Jesus Christ was talked about and eventually crucified. Christians have been persecuted for centuries. This is just more of the same. It's all part of our Daily Cross. I just try to remember to offer it up.
49 posted on 03/23/2002 7:26:13 AM PST by ward_of_the_state
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To: father_elijah
I'm not Catholic, but I'm encouraged that faithful Catholics care enough to defend their Church and to exert pressure for reform. You have my sincere prayers and best wishes in your efforts.
50 posted on 03/23/2002 7:27:07 AM PST by LJLucido
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To: Judith Anne
There is such a shortage of priests right now that it's probably difficult for them to do much leading. Our priest is in charge of three parishes as well serving our diocese in several other capacities. I think there is this stigma attached to becoming a priest nowadays and all these issues sufacing aren't helping that.
51 posted on 03/23/2002 7:30:34 AM PST by ward_of_the_state
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To: ward_of_the_state
I believe that, among others, St. Augustine (one of my favorites) said that...I can't carry a tune in a bucket, but I have an excellent ear...and music lifts me up to hope many times when nothing else can...I'm praying for LaBelle, I was in a similar circumstance once, and I do believe she is closer to God now than at any other time in her life, and He to her...God can bear our anger, can wipe away our tears...by dying on the cross, He showed that He doesn't let Himself off the hook, by suffering with us, He shows His undying Love...
52 posted on 03/23/2002 7:31:55 AM PST by Judith Anne
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To: Thorn11cav
Well, if you don't want me to, I probably won't offer up any intercessory prayers for you....;-D

Do you think that Mary, Christ's mother, went to heaven? Just curious...

54 posted on 03/23/2002 7:47:39 AM PST by Judith Anne
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To: father_elijah
Great post, father. Here's one more request I would like to see added.

Ask the Holy Father that churches be required to restore the Tabernacle back to its proper location, in the center of the altar.

In my parish, the Tabernacle sits off on the side while the priest sits front and center. I personally spend most of my mass time focused on that Tabernacle and the flickering flame above it, a reminder of Christ's presence amongst us. He is the love of my life and no prelate should be allowed to upstage Him.

May God bless you in your work here on FP.

56 posted on 03/23/2002 7:54:19 AM PST by NYer
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To: Thorn11cav
What am I missing here ?

2000 years of history?

57 posted on 03/23/2002 7:55:42 AM PST by John W
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To: choirboy
Maybe he/she/it means the one in Constantinople. < /sarcasm>
58 posted on 03/23/2002 8:03:09 AM PST by SMEDLEYBUTLER
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To: Lithasis
in this case , Close does count in horse shoes and the location of the catholic church fulfills the requirements.

I see. You're from the "don't confuse me with the facts, my mind is made up" school.

Do you have ANY idea how silly and ignorant you sound?

59 posted on 03/23/2002 8:08:05 AM PST by choirboy
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