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For Catholics: What shall we do...
23 March A.D. 2002 | father_elijah

Posted on 03/23/2002 5:34:00 AM PST by father_elijah

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To: RnMomof7
You are very bright and I enjoy your posts and your zest for life and for much that is holy. I am sorry that you have information that is not correct for the most part.

However I respect your search for truth. Since you must have read my post as you responded to it can you answer my request for scriptural support for your position about celibacy?

I also know you are smart enough to know that you don't bring a load of furniture into a house you're trying to clean unless you don't really want it clean. I hope you don't have another agenda than just loving Jesus Christ.

121 posted on 03/23/2002 9:27:00 AM PST by saradippity
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To: timestax
How about showing abit of respect for the good Father, who is taking the time to come and talk with the rest of us?

sw

122 posted on 03/23/2002 9:27:35 AM PST by spectre
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To: Ex-Wretch
OK, I will learn to talk like the Spirit (guess he's a Southern fundie) while you're gone: "Repent, for thine time is nigh! Open your hearts up to Jesus's special born again gift and praise thy name unto all the peoples of the Earth." Is taht better? Am I a True Christian now that I too, can mangle the KJV!?!?
123 posted on 03/23/2002 9:27:44 AM PST by Conservative til I die
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To: timestax
I think it is fascinating that you are so interested in haberdashery and sexual behavior. Now why would that be?
124 posted on 03/23/2002 9:28:08 AM PST by father_elijah
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To: timestax
"Truth hurts eh? Ask your priest guru to explain to you the accurate history of those tall, fish-mouth hats that the cardinals/priests sometimes wear. It isn't pretty!!" post 114

"I never mentioned anybodies name or religion. Your just spittin out venom and not even thinking !" post 117

Gee, you SURE had me fooled!

125 posted on 03/23/2002 9:28:44 AM PST by Judith Anne
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To: timestax
I'm not going to do your research for you. Ask your "Can do no wrong" preists or "Can do no wrong" pope!!

Please stop this. Your display of ignorance borders on the embarrassing.

127 posted on 03/23/2002 9:31:39 AM PST by father_elijah
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To: timestax
Abuse button hit. See ya, troll.
128 posted on 03/23/2002 9:32:10 AM PST by Conservative til I die
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To: timestax
Catholics promote sexuall abuse on youth!

Your generalization regarding Catholics is a lie. That tells me more about you than I ever cared to know.

129 posted on 03/23/2002 9:34:19 AM PST by father_elijah
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To: LT41
LT41: member since March 23rd, 2002

Just joined up to make one post, did you? You're free to be a sniper, but don't expect honorable people to respect you or take you seriously.

130 posted on 03/23/2002 9:35:35 AM PST by LantzALot
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To: Conservative til I die
wow!
131 posted on 03/23/2002 9:35:52 AM PST by timestax
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To: Ex-Wretch
If there is ONE thing I cannot stand above all other things about people is arrogance, and if there are TWO things I cannot stand about arrogant people, it is when they are "preachy" (meaning that they think they have a monopoly on salvation, and this applies to people of all faiths, but especially to "Bible Christians") or when they are elitist and/or extremist Leftist. I have particularly clashed with these people over the years in heated debates. While I think that is particularly sad in the case of the Leftists, many of whom have not heard about the saving power of God, I think it is ever more SAD in the case of "Bible Christians," because they HAVE heard of this saving power, but have become arrogant about it.

There are warnings from the Good Book that warn the community of the believers on "strange interpretations" of passages, instead of reading the passage in the context of the WHOLE of Scripture's teachings.

"The apostle Peter was very concerned about this problem, and addressed it in his letters. In 2 Peter 1:20-21, he gave his first rule of Bible interpretation: 'First of all you must understand this, that no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one’s own interpretation, because no prophecy ever came by the impulse of man, but men moved by the HoIy Spirit spoke from God.' By prophecy, he simply means anything that Scripture teaches (prophecy does not always mean predicting the future). For this reason, we must avoid the temptation to evaluate passages by simply asking, 'What do I think this verse means?' Christ gave the Church teachers, and he did so for a very specific reason: to assist people in how to understand Scripture and its teachings. Therefore, rather than simply looking to private interpretations, we must look to the public interpretation of Scripture, which is what the Church has. We must read Scripture in the context of what the Church has historically understood it to mean, for it was the Church that Christ established as 'the pillar and foundation of the truth' (1 Tim. 3:15)." (Taken from Starting Out as an Apologist from the Catholic Answers website.)

Was the Bible intended to be sole rule of faith? Is it the only source of Truth? NO! The ultimate source of Truth itself is God, and the Bible made NO such claim that it is the sole rule of faith (check out 1 Cor. 11:2, 2 Thess. 2:15, 2 Tim. 2:2, 2 Peter 1:20-21, 3:15-16). As I have said to others, the Word of God (the Bible) is the BEGINNING of wisdom ( and the search for Truth), not the end.

132 posted on 03/23/2002 9:39:02 AM PST by Pyro7480
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To: father_elijah
I do believe you must be doing some mighty good work, for the little imps of hell to play gadfly so tenaciously! God bless you! ;-D
133 posted on 03/23/2002 9:39:37 AM PST by Judith Anne
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To: timestax
I'm not going to do your research for you.

Taken as a whole, the things you've posted point to a fatal lack of research of your own. Why not look for the truth about just the remarks you made following the above statement -- and then try again.

134 posted on 03/23/2002 9:41:08 AM PST by LantzALot
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To: eleni121
Thanks for your kind words. It is really appreciated. :-)
135 posted on 03/23/2002 9:42:22 AM PST by Pyro7480
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To: father_elijah
Stations of the Cross?
136 posted on 03/23/2002 9:42:30 AM PST by Salvation
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To: Judith Anne
And God bless you too, Judith Anne. May Jesus Christ be praised.
137 posted on 03/23/2002 9:42:37 AM PST by father_elijah
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To: Salvation
Thank you! How did I miss that -- especially during Lent? God bless.
138 posted on 03/23/2002 9:43:48 AM PST by father_elijah
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To: LantzALot
Yeah but Lantz, all timestax has to do is say "You can't stand the Truth!" and voila, it must be the truth!
139 posted on 03/23/2002 9:44:34 AM PST by Conservative til I die
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To: father_elijah
Thankyou for this great post,it is just what we need,a battle plan,because this is war.

Another suggestion I will incorporate in my letter is that the priest turn around.Looking at him is painful because I cannot but wonder if he is truly offering up our prayers to the Father or is instead blocking the organic flow of God's people to Him.This is distracting.

With respect to the priestt,it must be disconcerting to focus on the big H,Him with all those eyes focusing on the little h,him. So,as far as I'm conscerned this is a win-win situation.

140 posted on 03/23/2002 9:44:41 AM PST by saradippity
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