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Islamic schools where zealots learn to hate West
Telegraph ^ | March 23 2002 | Julius Strauss

Posted on 03/23/2002 3:09:01 AM PST by knighthawk

PAKISTAN'S madrassas show no sign of reforming, writes Julius Strauss in Rawalpindi

The young faces gathered around, glowering. "May Osama bin Laden have a long life," one of the young men said.

"May sharia be made law in every country in the world," said a second. Others, barefoot on the filthy pavement, nodded their approval.

Outside the Jamia Islamia madrassa in Rawalpindi the students gathered to deride their pro-Western government, cheer al-Qa'eda and pour scorn on American-led efforts to defeat Islamic militancy.

They exuded a hatred born of years of indoctrination and an acute suspicion of Westerners. "He's a CIA spy," whispered one man in the crowd. "Shun him, say nothing."

This is only one of thousands of religious schools in Pakistan that feed the anti-Western fervour sweeping the country. Until last autumn militants were based openly at some of the more famous madrassas, spreading the gospel of extremism.

Now they have been forced underground by the government's moves against them.

Mardan, a skinny teenage student who came to Rawalpindi from the lawless North West Frontier Province, said: "We are all ready to fight the Americans. We only await the word from our leaders."

Nasir, a 23-year-old with a full, red-streaked beard, said: "I will serve Islam whatever it takes. If I am asked to fight, I am ready."

Since September 11, President Pervaiz Musharraf has announced a series of campaigns to root out terrorism in Pakistan.

As a result militant demonstrations have petered out and more than 2,000 activists have been detained, but government officials admit privately that the arrests have failed to net many of the big fish.

Diplomats fear that the moves have simply pushed the extremists underground where disparate groups have forged a common front intent on launching an escalating terror campaign.

Gen Musharraf announced this week that he was intensifying a campaign to stamp out militancy after hand-grenades were thrown into an international church last Sunday, killing five people, including two Americans.

Foreigners are slowly returning to the streets of Islamabad, partly reassured by the deployment of hundreds of armed police and paramilitary guards. But in the capital's sprawling neighbour, Rawalpindi, not one Westerner could be seen yesterday.

The students have been raised on a diet rich in Islam but lacking other fundamental disciplines. They are expected to learn the Koran by heart, usually in Arabic, a language they do not speak. Although they have spent years studying, few are educated in the Western sense of the word.

Most of the boys and men at the schools today are too young to have fought with the Taliban in Afghanistan. Others have kept their pasts hidden from the police, who pay regular visits.

But as pressure on the militants has increased, they have stepped up attacks against government and Western targets, a sign that the movement has lost none of its potency.

As part of an attempt at root-and-branch reform of the country, the president is seeking to modernise the madrassas. Students from other Islamic countries have been told that they must obtain residency permits or leave Pakistan.

In an attempt to force the schools to offer a more balanced curriculum, the government has also decreed that mathematics, science and languages must be taught alongside Islamic studies.

But the national school system is in a state of collapse and madrassas, which are privately funded and give bed and board to the most needy, offer the only refuge available for more than 500,000 students.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: hatethewest; islam; madrassas; pakistan
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1 posted on 03/23/2002 3:09:01 AM PST by knighthawk
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To: dennisw; OKCSubmariner; watchin; VOA; harpseal; timestax; xJones; justshutupandtakeit; TopDog2...
If people want on or off this list, please let me know.
2 posted on 03/23/2002 3:09:37 AM PST by knighthawk
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To: knighthawk
The Two Minute Hate sessions of Stalinism; the Dignity Rallies of Manuel Noriega; the Nuremberg parades of Der Fuher. The madrassas of Pakistan.
3 posted on 03/23/2002 3:16:04 AM PST by wretchard
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To: knighthawk
There may be some of these in the US. Check this out:

http://freerepublic.com/focus/news/651944/post

4 posted on 03/23/2002 3:26:31 AM PST by pttttt
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To: knighthawk
Do they have schools kinda like madrassas in the U.S. where they train journalists?
5 posted on 03/23/2002 3:27:23 AM PST by Savage Beast
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To: wretchard
Exactly. I really just don't know if we have the will to do what needs to be done, to deal with the threat of Islam. We did not wake up on 9/11. We may be stumbling around the bedroom looking for the light switch, but we did not wake up, as a country.
6 posted on 03/23/2002 3:38:35 AM PST by FreedomPoster
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To: FreedomPoster
Take heart. Perhaps half of the people living in the United States in 1776 had British sympathies. A large percentage of Americans, including some of Lincoln's relatives, hated the Union. We tend forget that a large number of Americans worshipped Stalin in the 1940s and were willing to give him atomic secrets. And yet the idea of freedom triumphed, and it will again if those who love it never quit.
7 posted on 03/23/2002 4:04:28 AM PST by wretchard
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To: wretchard
Thanks for the uplift, W. You're right. So far so good. We gotta stay vigilant, work like hell, and be ready to die for liberty--just like our ancestors. But it's a small price to pay. That's how valuable freedom is.
8 posted on 03/23/2002 4:21:51 AM PST by Savage Beast
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To: knighthawk
The people of Pakistan are going to have to fight for their lives against the Islamo-fascists. It's going to come to that.
9 posted on 03/23/2002 4:59:04 AM PST by Kermit
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To: Kermit
Sadly, relgious fanatics will hold on to a death wish in the name of holiness.

Solution: demonstrate strength and might...in the simple form of a tactical nuke detonation...in the name of God, of course...

10 posted on 03/23/2002 5:48:56 AM PST by NMFXSTC
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To: knighthawk
Shut down these schools. They teach racial hatred, religious bigotry and armed revolution!
11 posted on 03/23/2002 5:50:53 AM PST by ex-Texan
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To: Kermit
That would be the 2% Christians and the 1% Hindus, cheering as we nuke the other 97% of the "people." No Muslims on OUR side!

Which is fine with me.

"We are sheeple, hear us bleat. In numbers too big to defeat."

--Muslim national anthem.

12 posted on 03/23/2002 8:03:50 AM PST by crystalk
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To: knighthawk
Thanks for the flag. It's a discouraging story, but it's not a surprise to most of us, I suspect. They've been brainwashing these kids to hate the West for as long as I can remember. And that fact--the constant, steady brainwashing--is the primary factor that most Westerners don't take into consideration. We seem to think if we chant "Islam is a religion of peace and love" enough times, we can make it so. Well, we can't. Moreover, until we realize that they really, really hate us, we won't be able to make any progress in that area. We can never make them like us, but it might be possible to make them respect us. We can only do that by taking a hard line: they respect only that which can defeat them.
13 posted on 03/23/2002 8:37:04 AM PST by MizSterious
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To: FreedomPoster
bump
14 posted on 03/23/2002 8:38:55 AM PST by timestax
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To: Kermit
anti terrorists bump!
15 posted on 03/23/2002 9:26:21 AM PST by timestax
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To: knighthawk
what is left out of this report is that the madrassas are funded by Saudi Arabia.
16 posted on 03/23/2002 9:32:39 AM PST by FastCoyote
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what is left out of this report is that the madrassas are funded by Saudi Arabia. 16 posted on 3/23/02 10:32 AM Pacific by FastCoyote [ Post Reply

GOOD point, man!!

17 posted on 03/23/2002 9:34:54 AM PST by timestax
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To: FastCoyote
How nice of our 'allies'.... When do we get to invade?
18 posted on 03/23/2002 12:15:55 PM PST by Darksheare
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To: Darksheare
bttt
19 posted on 03/23/2002 12:20:19 PM PST by timestax
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To: knighthawk
Question for all:

What are the pro's and con's of nuking Mecca and Medina?

Would this create more hatred and backlash...

or would the knowlege that allah allowed it to happen therefore make the muslims realize allah is not a real god?

20 posted on 03/26/2002 1:38:11 PM PST by hang 'em
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