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Report Linking Anthrax and Hijackers Is Investigated
New York Times ^ | 3/23/02 | WILLIAM J. BROAD and DAVID JOHNSTON

Posted on 03/22/2002 11:41:11 PM PST by kattracks

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To: The Great Satan
These guys most likely were using anthrax stolen from American labs 10 years ago. The greater part of it had been sterilized. That's why their attack "fizzled" and only killed a few people.

I am not sure how you test the sterilized anthrax.

Saddam's problem is atomic - not biological.

81 posted on 03/23/2002 3:27:16 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: The Great Satan
Why do you suppose the country's military establishment hasn't gone into overdrive producing anthrax antitoxin since October? (Or have they, and they're just not telling us?)

Antitoxin would make much more sense than a vaccine, because (1) the vaccine doesn't work against all strains of anthrax, and may not even work against inhalation anthrax, period, and (2) the antitoxin, besides working against all anthrax, can be used into the late, terminal stages of the disease.

82 posted on 03/23/2002 3:32:29 PM PST by aristeides
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To: Nogbad
There was a report several months back, that one of the 19 resided in (not just travelled to) a couple dozen cities across the USA (including several places in NJ).

Do you recall who this was?

Ali Ayub Khan had apartments in both Chicago and Jersey City. The Chicago apartment was in the same building that Sabash Gurung was staying in. Khan shared the Jersey City apartment with Mohammed Jaweed Azmath and Mohammed Pervez. Pervez is also said to have shared an apartment with the potential anthrax suspects from the Greenwood Village Apartments in Hamilton, NJ.

Khan and Azmath were the two Pakistanis who were flying when all planes were grounded on 9/11. They then took a train to San Antonio, and they were subsequently arrested with box cutters, $5000 in cash, and hair dye; their bodies were apparently shaved. (The suspicion, of course, was that they were about to hijack the plane when their plans were thwarted by the quick decision to ground all airliners. I think they have been charged with credit card fraud and are officially no longer under suspicion of terrorism, if you believe the public press releases.)

Gurung is the Nepalese who was arrested at O'Hare Airport with a stash of weapons.

83 posted on 03/23/2002 3:35:47 PM PST by Mitchell
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To: muawiyah
Sorry, but you are utterly clueless.
84 posted on 03/23/2002 3:35:56 PM PST by The Great Satan
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To: The Great Satan
The public hasn't been paying that much attention, but the media have been, and so have the Democrats. I agree that Iraq couldn't have been blamed early on, for the reason you stated. But I wish that Rosenberg's theory hadn't been presented in such a credible fashion over a period of month or two, with essentially no rebuttals or alternative theories discussed. The government should have kept the Iraq theory "in play," as one of several possibilities.
85 posted on 03/23/2002 3:40:35 PM PST by Mitchell
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To: Mitchell
Do you recall who this was?

Sorry, I don't. I wish at the time I had recorded the name.

There was a long report about him on one of the Alphabet Channels.

Officials were extremely puzzled over what he was up to.

86 posted on 03/23/2002 3:41:53 PM PST by Nogbad
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To: The Great Satan
Utterly clueless about what? - if you mean postal operations, you are seriously mistaken. Someday I will show you my credentials in that regard. If I am somehow mistaken in understanding that a very, very large percentage of the FBI and other federales around here are out searching for an atom bomb, you will have to explain that to the federales complaining about the task to me - -

Saddam's anthrax has a signature not found here. That didn't mean he didn't provide Mr. Atta with anthrax stolen from an American lab. Unfortunately, we haven't traced such materials through the lab to Iraq. Doesn't mean it can't be done, but the federales are still focusing on an atom bomb and not anthrax!

Must be a reason for it, eh?!

87 posted on 03/23/2002 3:45:08 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
Perhaps stolen and sold to Iraq.
88 posted on 03/23/2002 3:47:13 PM PST by bvw
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To: aristeides
There is no antitoxin for anthrax, at least none that's so far been deemed safe for humans. I assume that a crash program is underway to develop one. Whether it will succeed is, of course, another question. There are lots of diseases which remain uncurable after decades of research and billions of dollars of expenditure. There is also the problem of delivering the treatment -- be it an antitoxin or a conventional antibiotic. For example, a dispersal on the NYC subway system would require the delivery of medical care to four million people in 24 hours or less, to have any chance at making a dent in the casualties.

I would really like to know if yesterday's public revelation that one of the 9-11 hijackers sought treatment for cutaneous anthrax is the result of an intentional tip from government sources, or whether it represents true investigative journalism by the NYT. If it's the former, then we might infer that the administration feels it has a handle on the threat, and that there is no further benefit to delaying an attack on Iraq. That would dovetail with the ramping up of anti-Iraq rhetoric, and the US and British government's recent warnings to Saddam that we are willing to use nuclear weapons in retaliation for attacks with non-nuclear WMD. On the other hand, this could just be an example of a journalist stepping off the reservation and doing some real digging around, in which case, unfortunately, no such optimistic inferences follow.

89 posted on 03/23/2002 3:52:58 PM PST by The Great Satan
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To: Catspaw
Right, Atta had red raised rashes on his hands and wrists like he had been bathing them in bleach....for some reason....like exposure to anthrax?
90 posted on 03/23/2002 3:53:28 PM PST by Travis McGee
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To: muawiyah
Could it be that Atta sent some of the letters in the Mouth of the Rat (Boca Raton) as seems he must have, but also dropped a plastic sealed pouch of a few more in Trenton on his way north? The coincidence could be that the contaminated trays ended up in Trenton, the same place the letters were posted from?

Has the FBI shared what info the garnered in the Trenton PO's roped off area with the Postal Inspectors or the NJ State Police -- or is it still just the summary statement?

91 posted on 03/23/2002 3:54:13 PM PST by bvw
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To: muawiyah
If I am somehow mistaken in understanding that a very, very large percentage of the FBI and other federales around here

Where is "here," if you don't mind my asking?

are out searching for an atom bomb, you will have to explain that to the federales complaining about the task to me - -

Do you care to elaborate? What are they doing, and why are they complaining to you?

92 posted on 03/23/2002 3:55:11 PM PST by Mitchell
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To: Travis McGee
Right, Atta had red raised rashes on his hands and wrists like he had been bathing them in bleach....for some reason....like exposure to anthrax?

Either that or he just had trouble getting a date.

Either scenario is not difficult to believe.

93 posted on 03/23/2002 3:57:30 PM PST by Mulder
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To: bvw
The FBI dug up mailboxes. They then hauled them away to be tested. Some sources say that dozens were dug up. Other sources suggest hundreds, and I have heard thousands!

No one knows why they dug up the boxes when all they had to do was use cotton swabs to pull samples, then spray them out with bleach to make them safe pending results.

Contamination in various postal facilities was found by special bio-hazard companies under contract to the USPS!

Top postal managers have publicly stated that the FBI did not communicate its findings to the USPS.

This sort of behavior is, unfortunately, typical of the FBI.

94 posted on 03/23/2002 4:01:05 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Mitchell
Don't you live here too?
95 posted on 03/23/2002 4:02:28 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: bvw; The Great Satan; muawiyah
Has the FBI shared what info the garnered in the Trenton PO's roped off area with the Postal Inspectors or the NJ State Police -- or is it still just the summary statement?

The official report (of the NJ Dept of Health, as I recall, which was coordinating this part of the investigation) says that no anthrax was found in any mail drop or any receptacle in which mail was placed. Preliminary reports of such contamination proved incorrect. Anthrax was only found in those parts of postal facilities used for mail in transit. (This is in contrast with Boca Raton.)

Muawiyah's theory that all the anthrax letters were mailed from Boca Raton is strange, but I'm leaving open the possibility that something like that is the truth. They've searched the mailboxes in the Trenton area exhaustively and found nothing; it's hard to explain that.

96 posted on 03/23/2002 4:03:50 PM PST by Mitchell
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To: Mitchell
The government should have kept the Iraq theory "in play," as one of several possibilities.

The thing is, the various "possibilities" were never equally matched up to begin with. Rosenberg's theory, like the preceding Woodward "militia" theory, and the original "mountain stream" theory, is enormously improbable and borderline ridiculous but not completely impossible, i.e. it doesn't violate the laws of physics. The correct theory -- that the anthrax letters were exactly what they purported to be, followups to the 9-11 attacks -- had the enormous advantage of being fully supported by the evidence and prior probability. Any "helping hand" the Feds offered to keep the correct explanation "in play" would only have made it painfully obvious how absurd the red herring theories were, nullifying the whole purpose of the stall.

97 posted on 03/23/2002 4:05:59 PM PST by The Great Satan
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To: muawiyah
Don't you live here too?

Sorry, I didn't mean to pry -- you're the one who brought it up in your earlier post.

98 posted on 03/23/2002 4:08:01 PM PST by Mitchell
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To: Mulder
Atta is thought to have been "dating" one of the other younger terrorists with the cute butt. I kid you not.

All this sexual anger and frustration builds up in periods of fervent denial, collapse in sinful behavior, the self hating guilt, followed by more fervent denial etc.

In the end, all this self hate gets redirected at the world.

99 posted on 03/23/2002 4:09:20 PM PST by Travis McGee
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To: The Great Satan
I think the "stall" got out of hand. Unlike the other silly theories (mountain streams and Wiccans and the like), the Rosenberg theory fits a left-wing political agenda. That's what gives it staying power, in spite of the complete lack of evidence. It fits certain people's preconceptions very well.
100 posted on 03/23/2002 4:11:54 PM PST by Mitchell
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