CLERGY SEXUAL ABUSE SCANDAL MORE ABOUT HOMOSEXUALITY THAN PEDOPHILIA

Life Site.ca ^ | March 22, 2002

[Renatus]

Celibacy should be made optional, not because it would directly address this issue, but it would open up a wider pool of candidates and the bishops could turn aside the effeminate immature young men who enter seminaries today.

Sure. Stock the seminaries with a bunch of jocks. Seems to me that narrows the field. No effeminate acting people allowed. Most married men in our day and age act like a bunch of old women. Most married men I know are also immature. Your solution is not one at all.

[cathway]

Just for the record, the Vatican'spokesman is spokesman for the Vatican. Duh!

[montag813]

Don't forget that a significant percentage of child molestors who prey on young girls are *also* homosexual.

Not forgotten, merely overlooked. Thanks for the reminder.

[redhead]

"And what's this foolishness about abandoning celebacy? HELLO?! If they were celebate it wouldn't matter if they were homosexual, heterosexual, bisexual or into best of breed. It's not as if there are no child molesters who've father'd or mother'd children of their own. Please."

newzjunkey, you hit the nail right on the head. I couldn't have put it better myself.

[sinkspur]

Most married men in our day and age act like a bunch of old women. Most married men I know are also immature.

You must travel in a very limited circle.

You're also opposed to optional celibacy, so you'll say anything.

[sinkspur]

Just for the record, the Vatican'spokesman is spokesman for the Vatican. Duh!

The Vatican's spokesman NEVER makes official, doctrinal pronouncements, however.

How do suggest the Church determine who is homosexual and who is not so that it can determine whom to ordain?

Also, how do you know someone is a homosexual if they're non-practicing (as, I maintain, many priests are)?

[concerned about politics]

There is absolutely nothing in the Church's Cannon Law that would prevent a homosexual from being ordained.

And they've reaped what they've sowed. Their being purged now for their sins.
That's what they get for disobeying Gods commands.
Their discrace has been earned, but, unfortunatly, they've taken all those around them down into the pits of hell with them

[irksome1]

I find it utterly amazing that out of the thousands upon thousands of priests in America it is only the 40 or so cases of child abuse in Massacheusetts that evidence a broken priesthood, and never the excesses of the heterosexuals that can bring the Church ruin. Let's at least be clear that any priest who takes a vow of celibacy should obey it.

[Pushi]

I think it is more homosexuality than pedophilia. Also, there are claims that a celibate priesthood causes the molestations. Celibacy does not make one homosexual. It just happens that males who are already homosexual become priests and do not marry women--in the Roman Church priests don't marry anyone of either sex. In the Episcopal Church, however, priests pair up with a mate of the same sex, if they are homosexual--because they can marry. There are a number of practicing homosexual priests and priestesses in the Episcopal church. One Anglican priest in England actually had a sex change--lucky for him, er her, that they can now have priestesses.

[irksome1]

Not only does the Vatican's spokesman not determine doctrinal issues, this particular one has gotten his doctrine mixed up on more than one occaision. If you really want to know what's on the mind of the pope, you wouldn't be listening to Navarro.

[Renatus]

they've taken all those around them down into the pits of hell with them

I suppose you visited there and thus got all the facts so you could make this statement.

[cathway]

Please! Back to logic 101 with you. I repeat the truism: The Vatican spokesman is spokeman for the Vatican. Now, if a man marries without telling his wife he's gay he is subject to annullment. Same with a homosexual priest who is manifest (by admission or acts) after slipping in without full diclosure. If you don't get that, you're a joker.

[Pushi]

You do not have Episcopal priests sodomizing young boys because it is acceptable for those that are homosexual to take a partner which, in some cases, lives right there in the rectory. In the case of women priests, some of them have their lesbian partners, also.

[sinkspur]

The Vatican spokesman is spokeman for the Vatican.

Really? How come Valls made his comments about the possible invalidity of homosexual ordination ONCE, and it was never followed up with a clarification or reinforcement by Cardinal Ratzinger. If it was official Church doctrine, Ratzinger would have reaffirmed it.

Same with a homosexual priest who is manifest (by admission or acts) after slipping in without full diclosure. If you don't get that, you're a joker.

So what if he's not manifest? How do you tell?

Valls spoke off the cuff and out of order. Maybe you can cite from the Code of Canon Law where it states that homosexuals cannot be validly ordained.

[Slyfox]

Please clarify what this means...radical feminists...right to reject...

It all goes back to what happened after Vatican II when the radical element decided to change the Church from within. Using the guise, 'the spirit of Vatican II', they worked to gain as much power as they could and like a worm finally made their way into dicesean offices and seminaries. These people were devotees of the socialist Saul Alinsky in Chicago. Alinsky made friends with a whole cadre of reprobates, including the radical 'so-called' Catholics who were just itching to stake their claim in the power of the heirarchy. Alinsky advocated feeding homeless people beans and having them 'crash' a meeting. It should come as no surprise that among the many friends he collected were the radical feminists and one in particular, Hillary Rodham. Their one mission has been to acquire power and change institutions.

In the Catholic Church, they were slowly able to get positions on boards where they could wield the most power with the least effort. Do you ever wonder why your church looks like a bank? Thank the radical nun who had the ear of the bishop. Perverted sex ed in your child's catechism class? Thank the radical. Wonder why they have a female, non-Catholic psychologist deciding if a man is priest material? Ditto on that radical.

Now, these same people, who claim to be the saviors of 'peace and justice' but in actuality are the antithesis of it, gleefully point their collective finger at the Pope and other bishops for 'causing' the problem. Nope, guys, it wasn't the Pope who caused this. It was people like Hillary Rodham Clinton.

[irksome1]

You need to do some reading. In the first place that "Vatican Spokesman" you reffer to is really nothing of the sort. Though he is the head of the Vatican press office, not every word he utters carries a papal benediction. The only person authorized to speak for the pope in an offical capacity is the Secretary of State.

In the second place you can consult with any Catholic Cannonist and find that there are only six criteria for a valid ordination:

A validly ordained bishop

The bishop must intend to ordain

The proper prayers must be said

The bishop must lay hands on the candidate

The candidate must not be compelled to receive ordination

The candidate must be a “capable person,” meaning a baptized male.

I encourage you to do some reading before spouting off with your so-called "logic."

[StickyWings]

Why do they say a person thats rapes little children have different sexual name instead of rapist, which is a coward and that could be homosexual or bi-sexual.

Why do they the term sexual abuse, instead of child rapist?

In other words why do we let the press and others defined what these words really mean?

[cathway]

Get real. We really need theo-logs to give us lectures on the episcopal office in order to show (!) that the Vatican's Press Spokesman does not (!@#$#@!!!) speak (with tradition and scripture) for the Vatican! Back to 101. Posts like this must be ignored in the future.

[cathway]

Nonsense. Back to thy day job.

[concerned about politics]

I suppose you visited there and thus got all the facts so you could make this statement

Yes. I was getting tired of the snow.

I read it in a book. A very old Holy book. It's called the Holy Bible. It has omnipotant wisdom. You should try reading it.
It said there would be AIDs, a plague of the blood. *sigh*