Posted on 03/22/2002 2:25:40 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
WASHINGTON - An unusually diverse and bipartisan group of 34 legislators on Thursday announced that they had formed a congressional bloc to seek step-by-step loosening of the trade embargo of Cuba and permit U.S. citizens to travel to the island.
''We all agree that the current policy has failed,'' said Rep. Jeff Flake, an Arizona Republican and ardent free-trade proponent who is a leader of the bloc.
The group's members asserted that the four-decade-old embargo is a relic of the Cold War. They said the Bush administration should abandon attempts to isolate the Fidel Castro regime in favor of the openness it shows toward communist regimes in China and Vietnam.
Creation of the bloc foreshadows a showdown between Congress and the Bush administration this spring over policy toward Cuba. The White House, eager to please Cuban-American voters in Florida who play an outsized role in national politics, plans soon to announce moves to tighten the embargo. An increasingly significant number of legislators, in contrast, say heartland farm interests are hurt by the embargo, and that many U.S. citizens oppose current policy.
'FEW' IN FLORIDA
''Most people in America think we should change our policy. It's a few people in Florida who do not,'' said Rep. Tim Roemer, an Indiana Democrat.
Leaders of the group, comprised of 17 Democrats and 17 Republicans, said they would seek freedom for U.S. citizens to travel to Cuba, and to allow U.S. companies to sell agricultural goods to the island on credit. The bloc may also seek greater counter-drug cooperation with Cuba, which straddles sea lanes from South America.
Castro, one of the world's last stalwart communists, has ruled through eight U.S. presidents since taking power in 1959. At 75, he still firmly controls the island.
Flake, a member of the House International Relations Committee, said the U.S. government should stop levying fines against U.S. citizens traveling to Cuba.
''This is an issue of freedom,'' Flake said. ``Every citizen ought to have the right to see firsthand what a mess that man has made of that island.''
GAINING STEAM
Moves in Congress to relax the travel ban have gained steam. Last year, legislators voted 240-186 to stop enforcing the ban, but action was later derailed by the Republican House leadership working with the White House.
'It's rather ironic that Americans today can travel to Iran, can travel to North Korea. By my calculations, that's two-thirds of the `axis of evil,' '' said Rep. William Delahunt, a Massachusetts Democrat who is a leader of the bloc, referring to President Bush's remarks in January about nations that sponsor terrorism. Bush also fingered Iraq.
A conservative Republican from Washington state, Rep. George Nethercutt, said the legislators are not blind to the kind of regime Castro leads.
But Nethercutt said U.S. farmers are losing out on a $1 billion agricultural market with the boycott.
An advisor to the legislative bloc, Philip Peters of the Lexington Institute, a policy research group in Arlington, Va., said Congress and the White House are on ''a collision course'' over the direction of Cuban policy.
You are a great American, Buck!
We all owe you a debt of gratitude for upholding the principles on which this country stands.
You are a great American, Buck!
We all owe you a debt of gratitude for upholding the principles on which this country stands.
That's because most people in America don't know the true facts about Cuba and Castro. They are just repeating what the media has told them as opposed to Cuban-Americans in Florida.
Regardless of whether or not this is wise, the rest of the world does not operate on this principle, and uses criteria other than "worked." The Cuban embargo is not a policy --- it is a statement of principle. It is a statement of what this country says it believes in. Nothing is ideal, and in the real world pragmatism does interfere with principles, but one should realize the cost of abandoning them.
In the past, we very often looked foolish when every new administration declared a new set of friends and foes. Again, the rest of the world has a bit more memory than the well-known six-week attention span of American public. Over the past half of a century, since America got involved into international affairs, the world has noticed this to be not just individual missteps but a pattern. This is why you constantly hear from abroad, "America has abandoned us; it cannot be trusted." Indeed, a constant change of course does not help to gain credibility.
Pres. Bush, too, is a good example of that: all of a sudden, Mexico is our best friend and ally. For American public it' palatable; we say, "It's his turn, he does what he thinks is right." The rest of the world, however, views this as one more inconsistency and lack of principles on our part. Given that we claim, or at least in the past did so, that we stand for democracy and freedom, this makes us look hypocritical.
We are about to take back our words and change a long-standing stand on Cuba and communism, just to reinforce the pattern, to further the objectives of our own leftists who think nothing wrong of the "socialism," and let Joes and Bucks to smoke Cuban cigars.
1. The news media have deliberately undermined the moral legitimacy of Elians Miami relatives specifically and anti-communist Cuban-Americans in general.
2. The news media have consistently praised the actions and "achievements" of Fidel Castros Cuba, claimed it was better for children than America, and played up the paradise Elian could dwell in among the Communist Party elite.
3. The news media have justified Attorney General Janet Renos actions and arguments, and lamented any resistance or delay in returning Elian to Cuba.
4. The news media have dismissed congressional criticism of the INS raid and calls for investigation as unpopular and unnecessary.
If the media were interested in a balanced presentation of the Elian controversy, they would have scrutinized the administration more than justified it; they would have explained the regimented reality of family life in Cuba; they would have balanced their questioning of the motivations of Elians Miami relatives by questioning the motives of the reunification camp; and they would have encouraged more discussion and oversight instead of trying to cut it off. [End Excerpt]
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Now for something really scary!! Boston Globe: Cuba's lessons on caring for children -- *****Let's hope it can and that as more Americans visit Cuba's shores, we can learn something from the Cubans - about how to raise our kids here, how to instill in them self-respect and cultural pride, and how to give all of them a chance to be happy, creative, and productive adults.*****
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I think President Bush is working with Vicente Fox to give him more clout over the PRI in Mexico, which still holds majorities in the congress and mayoral offices. I do believe with our help coming now, Mexico can break free from 70 years of corrupt governance and start to climb the ladder of self-reliance. It will be good to have strong neighbors to the north and the south.
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The "embargo" does not work because it is only an American "embargo". It means nothing to Fidel, except propaganda, since every other country in the world does business with Cuba.
The embargo is stupid. During the Cold War, we traded with Russia; we currently trade with China. What makes Cuba special? Nothing.
And as for the Cuban cigars, I loathe the day the embargo is lifted because the market will be flooded with millions of fakes. In addition, to meet demand, the Cubans will pump out totally inferior product.
This is not how this should be done, however. This is not how our goals look to the rest of the world. Out life -- social, political, and now moral --- lacks continuity. We drop one idea and embrace another as a nation in a span of a few years. This even includes the language we speak.
All this may be fine with us, but this is not how the rest of the world thinks. We do not communicate our intentions and reasons --- worse, we do not bother thinking that this should be self-evident: new administration, new firends. As in "new month, new boyfriend" --- to some people the wisdom of that is self-evident, too.
That was my main point, which your own post illustrated, too. I point to some element of policy, and you immediately think of benefits (pragmatism). Fine. There is an additional question, then: why have we not pursued these benefits before? You yourself envoke a span of 70 years. In our own culture we simply don't care about the answer to that question: in this culture the past is water under the bridge. This is not so in the rest of the world, where the past matters, and time flies slower and slower as you go eastward from France until you reach China.
Rome needs him more than ever.
BUSH. ...I want to say something about Cuba in our hemisphere. There are some folks in our country who believe we ought to trade with Cuba. I don't. I think that would be wrong-headed. I think it's be a mistake. Capital that goes into Cuba will be used by the Fidel Castro government to prop itself up. There is a commission-type system in Cuba. Dollars invested will be dollars that will end up supporting this totalitarian regime. It's in our best interests for us to promote freedom in the island right off the coast of Florida. It's in our best interest to keep the pressure on Fidel Castro until he allows free elections, free press and free the prisoners in that island. And for those Americans that believe that trade with Cuba will cause Castro to become less totalitarian, in my judgment are naïve and wrong.
BAUER. Governor, you just made the case for withdrawing most favored nation status from China.
BUSH. I did not.
BAUER. Everything that you just said about Cuba applies to China.
BUSH. Let me answer that. Let me answer that.
RUSSERT. The difference between China and Cuba.
BUSH. May I answer that please?
RUSSERT. Please.
BUSH. There is a huge difference, a huge difference between trading with an entrepreneurial class like that which is growing in China and allowing a Fidel Castro government to skim capital moneys off the top of capital investment. There's a huge difference, a huge difference.
BAUER. Governor, one-third of the trade with China is with companies controlled by the People's Liberation Army.
BUSH. Gary.
BAUER. You know that and I know that. Tell the people rotting in the prisons of China that there's any difference between Castro's Cuba and Communist China. There is none.
BUSH. Let me say this. If we turn our back on the entrepreneurial class that is taking wing in China, we're making a huge mistake. If we turn our back on those that have gotten a whiff of freedom as a result of the marketplace taking hold, we're making a big mistake.
BAUER. Listen, I --
BUSH. We're making a big mistake. We're making a big mistake.
BAUER. The People's Liberation is O.K.?
BUSH. No it's not. I'm talking about the entrepreneurial class that is growing in the country of China.
BAUER. Sir, they are using that money for a massive arms buildup that our sons will have to deal with down the road.
BUSH. Only if you're the president.
BAUER. You can't be tough on China and not on --
BUSH. If I'm the president --
(BOTH TALKING AT ONCE)
RUSSERT. Mr. Bauer. Mr. Bauer, Mr. Bush. Let me move to another area...
"When the law is on your side, argue the law;
When the facts are on your side, argue the facts;
When neither are on your side, argue."
How does that fit into my request that you read the arguments at the LINK?
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