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Counter Terrorism Failures and Cover-Ups by the FBI and Danny Defenbaugh (OKC, 9/11)
CNN, UPI, AP,Dallas Morning News, Ft. Worth Star Telegram, Personal Research ^ | March 19, 2002 | Patrick B. Briley

Posted on 03/19/2002 6:38:38 PM PST by OKCSubmariner

The head of the Dallas FBI office Danny Defenbaugh was the FBI Inspector of the OKC Bomb Task Force. Today Defenbaugh accepted criticism in his role as inspector as reported in this article posted on FreeRepublic today:

Agent in charge (of McVeigh investigation) accepts criticism

“DALLAS, Mar 19, 2002 (United Press International via COMTEX) -- The FBI agent in charge of the Oklahoma City bombing investigation Tuesday accepted criticism in an inspector general's report for mishandling documents in the case that delayed Timothy McVeigh's execution.”

Defenbaugh was responding to recommendations that supervisors in the FBI be reprimanded for their handling of documents associated with the OKC Bombing case as reported in this article posted today on FreeRepublic.com:

Report Details McVeigh Case Errors

“WASHINGTON, Mar 19, 2002 (AP Online via COMTEX) -- A Justice Department investigation concludes the FBI did not intentionally withhold evidence from Timothy McVeigh's lawyers but that two supervisors should be disciplined for waiting months to disclose the belated discovery of documents in the case, according to people familiar with the findings”

In 2001 I documented Defenbaugh’s previous contradictory and conflicting statements he made to the Dallas Morning News and the Senate Judiciary Committee concerning handling of FBI documents in this article on FreeRepublic;

UPDATE: Did Former FBI Inspector Preside Over FBI Cover-up of OKC Bombing?

Published: May 19, 2001 Author: Patrick B. Briley

Posted on 05/19/2001 20:49:39 PDT by OKCSubmariner

“The contradiction lies in Defenbaugh’s telling the Dallas Morning News he only learned of the problem “a couple of weeks ago” and yet later telling Congress that he learned of the problem in January 2001 and the seriousness of the problem by February of 2001 before telling FBI superiors months later in May 2001. Learning of this problem in January or February is much more than a couple of weeks ago.”

“And Defenbaugh’s waiting to tell superiors for months to first learn of all aspects of the problem is not justifiable on legal grounds. It also sounds like he may have wanted to take the extra time to alert superiors so he could do damage control for the FBI, come up with an alibi and possibly hide or fix some of the missing evidence and documents. “

There is also the suspicion that even now Defenbaugh is not being forthright and giving full disclosure so as to hide the truth about what he and the FBI have known about for almost seven years: withheld and/or falsified FBI documents and FBI 302 interview notes and lead sheets and surveillance tapes, FBI 302 reports for interviews with John Doe witnesses that were deliberately not written, names of suspects and witnesses which were deliberately and repeatedly misspelled so they could not be found in database searches, fingerprints that were deliberately not checked, sketches of John Does deliberately not made, and FBI 302 reports that have been written to cast doubt on original and earlier FBI 302 reports that put government foreknowledge and cover-up in a bad light (this tactic is discussed numerous times with examples in McVeigh defense attorney Stephen Jones’ book, “Others Unknown”).

Defenbaugh’s interview with the Dallas Morning News is also very revealing when he spoke of his close association with FBI Supervisory agent Mark White for tracking the FBI documents at the time of the OKC bombing investigation and even now.

At a Federal appeals hearing in Denver on July 7, 1999, the Nichols' defense attorney Michael Tigar presented evidence that the FBI agents under Defenbaugh and US Prosecutors falsified FBI 302 reports and deliberately did not create 302 reports in many cases as well as withheld FBI 302 reports from the court and the defense. Many of these 302s pertained to John Does in the case. Tigar also complained he was not given many FBI lead sheets used to generate 302 reports. Tigar formally complained again last week (May 2001)that he still has not received the FBI 302 reports he identified and asked for at the appeals hearing in July 1997.

One man mentioned in the appeals hearing transcripts as mishandling the FBI 302s was FBI agent Mark White who worked for Defenbaugh to provide FBI 302s to the prosecuting and defense attorneys. White also supervised FBI agent James Carlyle who generated hundreds of FBI 302s , many of which are strongly believed to have been falsified. How accurate were the FBI 302s Carlyle was to have written when he threatened me and my wife and the deputy sheriff Dave Korchendorfer in OKC about FBI foreknowledge of the OKC bombing? I spoke to Mark White on the phone on January 9, 1996 to complain about Carlyle’s threats and tactics.

Another indication that Defenbaugh has known about and helped cause the withholding and falsifying of FBI 302 reports pertaining to John Does is the revelation that FBI files about 2 possible Arab John Does arrested in Dallas were found in the Dallas FBI office where Defenbaugh is now the Special FBI agent in charge. This revelation was made even though Janet Reno and the FBI had for years denied any ME men had ever been arrested in the connection with the OKC bombing case. The revelation was made by Jack Douglas in the Ft. Worth Star-Telegram article “ Dallas FBI files believed to detail 2 arrests” dated May 17, 2001. Excerpts from the article are as follows:

“The FBI files whose surprise disclosure sparked a delay of Timothy McVeigh's execution include Dallas FBI documents that are believed to contain details about the arrest of at least two people of Arab descent after the Oklahoma City bombing, a federal official said this week.”

“The federal government's inspector general's office is investigating the FBI's Dallas office, along with other FBI units around the country, to determine why more than 3,100 pages of investigative reports were not turned over until days before McVeigh was scheduled to be executed.”

Many of the Arab suspects in the OKC bombing and identified by KFORTV reporters in OKC were believed to have been operating out of Dallas and known to the Defenbaugh and to the FBI at least right after the bombing if not before. Also Defenbaugh’s FBI agents in OKC and in Dallas and US Prosecutors refused to accept the KFORTV reporter's evidence by claiming that to do so would help the defense (even though bombing suspects were involved who the FBI should have gone after).

In February 1999, the FBI in OKC acknowledged to an attorney representing a former reporter, that Middle Eastern suspects implicated in the OKC bombing were known to be operating out of a terrorist cell in Dallas. FBI director, Louis Freeh testified to Congress in May 1995 that the FBI had infiltrated a Middle Eastern terrorist cell in Dallas.

One of these two Arabs was a Pakistani, Asad Sidiqqy and he was implicated in the 1993 WTC bombing planned in OKC at a Hamas (Hamas cell in OKC is still not being acted against in 2002 by the FBI) sponsored terrorism conference in December 1992. The two Arab suspects (Pakistanis) mentioned in the Star-Telegram article had rented a blue vehicle and were the subject of an OKC PD manhunt in connection with the OKC bombing. They were detained at Dallas Ft Worth airport when they tried to return their rental car. They were released after an FBI agent working for Defenbaugh’s OKC Bomb Task Force in OKC, Floyd Zimms, deliberately gave out false information that the Arab suspects in OKC had been driving an old Green Cutlass rather than the blue vehicle actually driven by the Arab suspects and seen by witness Debbie Burdick in OKC.

Zimms told OKC PD officer Don Browning that Zimm’s description of the vehicle was false but that Browning and other police officers were not to question or talk about what Zimms had done that led to the release of the suspects.

The witness to the Pakistanis, Debbie Budick was called by FBI agent Odom from Denver to initmidate her not to talk to anyone about the Pakistanis she had seen with McVeigh after the bombing. And Defenbaugh's OKC FBI agents rewrote and altered the substance of several FBI 302 interview reports done with CIA counter terrorism chief Vincent Cannistraro about Pakistanis implicated in the OKC bombing. Cannistraro had told the FBI that the head of Saudi inteligence told Cannistraro on the day of the OKC bombing that Saddam Hussein of Iraq had hired seven Pakistanis to help do the OKC bombing.

On March 28, 2001, Defenbaugh gave a taped interview for CNN which was broadcast and later posted in excerpt form on CNN’s website under the title: ”FBI: McVeigh discussed other bombing targets.”

During the CNN interview Defenbaugh repeated the FBI’s public position that no John Does other than Terry Nichols helped McVeigh. He stated that the FBI based its conclusion that McVeigh acted alone on the FBI not seeing any John Does with McVeigh on a MacDonald’s surveillance video taken in Kansas shortly before McVeigh rented a Ryder truck.

In the CNN interview, Defenbaugh also made a startling admission: the FBI learned AFTER the bombing that McVeigh also intended to bomb Federal targets in Omaha and Dallas. There is strong evidence to show that Defenenbaugh and the FBI knew of the US government’s knowledge of plans to bomb these Federal targets months BEFORE the OKC bombing.

At least six months before the OKC bombing, Cary Gagan was given special immunity by US attorneys in Denver for providing the FBI detailed information that Federal targets in OKC, Denver, Omaha and Dallas were to be bombed around in April 1995. Dallas and Omaha were the same cities named by Defenbaugh that were also McVeigh’s targets. This is not a coincidence and suggests the FBI knew about and took Gagan’s information seriously BEFORE the OKC bombing.

The US attorneys revoked Gagan’s grant of immunity in retaliation for Gagan going public with his story. Gagan has sued the Federal government for revocation of his grant of immunity.

It is also significant that Defenbaugh mentioned Dallas as one of McVeigh’s targets in the CNN interview because Dallas has had major Middle Eastern AlQaeda and Hamas terrorist cells that has been linked to Bin Laden , to the 9/11/2001 attacks and to the OKC bombing.

Bin Laden’s secretary, El Hage, was arrested in Dallas and indicted for helping the FBI operative Ali Mohamed for over six years set up Bin Laden cells in Dallas and the US as well as for the bombings of the World Trade Center and the US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania.

Defenbaugh got in trouble two years ago for using Dallas police officers to track Bin Laden terrorists in Dallas and around the world without informing the Dallas police chief or compensating Dallas taxpayers for the police officers services.

. Defenbaugh started in 1998 (BEFORE the 9/11/2001 terror attacks) directing the FBI and Dallas police officers to follow and track known Middle Eastern terrorists associated with AlQaeda and Bin Laden (el Hage and Ali Mohammed) and the Dallas terrorist cells believed associated with the OKC bombing and the 9/11/2002 terror attacks on the Pentagon and WTC. In 1999 Defenbaugh had a public confrontation with the Dallas police chief, widely reported in Dallas media , over Defenbaugh using the police officers and Dallas taxpayers dollars without the chief’s permission and without telling the chief of the findings of his own police officers.

Defenbaugh’s technique of heavily using police officers for FBI investigations was employed by him in OKC with OKC police officers who were “deputized” by Defenbaugh to be part of his OKC Bombing Task Force. This is a clear example of the Federalization of local police forces. I know for certain about this because the relationship between the FBI and the OKC police criminal intelligence unit was described to me in my home on January 8, 1996 by Defenbaugh’s FBI agent, James Carlyle, and a member of the OKC police criminal intelligence unit. These men came to my house to threaten me and my wife over what we had learned of FBI foreknowledge and cover-up of the OKC bombing.

Defenbaugh and the FBI and DOJ have always been in curious agreement with McVeigh that only Nichols helped McVeigh. Defenbaugh and the DOJ and FBI have discounted hundreds of interviews his own FBI agents in OKC and around the country did with scores of witnesses who claimed McVeigh was helped by multiple domestic and Middle Eastern John Does. See my recent article “Significant McVeigh Contacts” posted on the FreeRepublic on March 28, 2001 which describes many of the John Doe contacts with McVeigh as well as government operatives and provocateurs involved in a failed FBI sting operation.

FBI agents under Defenbaugh threatened credible witnesses in OKC not to talk about seeing McVeigh with John Does including Army recruiters, and witnesses Debbie Burdick and Leah Moore. Deputy Sheriff Dave Kochendoerfer was threatened by an FBI agent working for Defenbaugh, a Mr. James Carlisle, over Kochendoerfer’s assertion that Congressman Istook had told him on April 19, 1995 the FBI knew beforehand of a Middle Eastern threat against the Murrah building and “ blew it.” In other cases Defenbaugh’s FBI agents deliberately did not have photos of John Doe suspects shown to witnesses and deliberately did not have sketches made of John Does from the witnesses descriptions.

I have also reported numerous times in articles on the FreeRepublic of witnesses in OKC who also saw domestic John Does at the Travelers Aid in OKC and connected to the OKC bombing who appear to be protected by the FBI and possibly FBI informants and operatives and provacateurs. Defenbaugh’s agents intimidated these witnesses, had not sketches made and wrote no adequate FBI 302 interview reports.

Defenbaugh’s FBI agents talked to witnesses who place McVeigh in OKC with John Does at 2:30 pm on April 18, 1995 in direct contradiction of the FBI and McVeigh assertions that the bomb was built in Kansas on April 18, 1995 by only McVeigh and Nichols.

Other witnesses in OKC known to Defenbaugh’s FBI agents claim they saw McVeigh being helped by Middle Eastern men to complete the bomb in OKC, and not in Kansas, on April 18, 1995. Defenbaugh’s FBI agents and US prosecutor Sean Connelly refused to receive, until almost four years after the bombing, more evidence on this collected from the witnesses by attorneys who went to the FBI and the prosecutor.

Defenbaugh also visited General Benton Partin in June 1996 with US prosecutor Beth Wilkinson to discuss Partin’s analysis of the cause of damage to the Murrah Building. During Defenbaugh’s interview, which was taped by Partin, Defenbaugh pointed to the location of what had been publicly shown as the truck bomb crater and said words to the effect : Suppose I were to tell you that is not the location of the bomb crater ? Defenbaugh and Wilkinson tried to belittle and disparage Partin’s credentials during the interview, actions which were extremely insulting and suggested a veiled attempt at intimidation to discourage Partin.

The legal counsels of the Senate Judiciary (Kolan Davis)and Intelligence (Joan Grimson) Committees have known of FBI massive cover-up in the OKC bombing case directly from the Pentagon terrorism advisor, Jesse Clear, who told them in December 1997 and in April 1999, respectively, of FBI cover-ups and intimidation of key John Doe witnesses. I was directly involved in Clear’s briefings to these legal counsels.

Furthermore, Oklahoma Senator James Inhofe has been aware at least since January 1999 of the FBI cover-ups of the ME connection and other John Does, foreign and domestic, from me personally in January 1999 as well as from information provided to his staff from Jesse Clear in 1997 and from Inhofe’s own Chief of staff Herb Johnson right after the OKC bombing.

In a story last year by Paul Bedard and posted on FreeRepublic, it has been reported that top pentagon officials told US News And World Report that the FBI had withheld evidence linking Middle eastern and Iraqi terrorists to the OKC bombing. This is not a surprise to me because that is what Pentagon terror advisor Jesse Clear told me in 1996 and what Clear told Kolan Davis of the Senate Judiciary in December 1997 in my presence.

And today we have former CIA counter terrorism official Larry Johnson stating that their was an Iraqi connection to the OKC bombing and that Ali Mohammed was in fact a double agent working for the FBI and Bin Laden and ALQaeda at the same time.

The Senate Judiciary Committee is to meet in full session Thursday March 21, 2002 at 10 am in Washington to hold a hearing of the FBI’s handling of evidence in the OKC bombing. It remains to be seen whether or not the Judiciary Committee will fully investigate the details this article presents about Danny Defenbaugh and the FBI’s handling of the OKC bombing. General Partin is to be in attendance and will give a full report on the hearing.

I have called visited and spoken to the Senate Judiciary’s staff members and investigators under Senators Orin Hatch and William Grassley for over seven years (including even just last week my complaining about FBI database manipulation) about the FBI misconduct in the OKC bombing and failed FBI policy of allowing known middle east terrorists into the US for years to follow them. So far the prevailing attitude among these staffers and investigators is “why are you trying to get the FBI in trouble?”. My response has always been and still is, why doesn’t the Senate Judiciary Senators and staff want to fully oversee and adequately fix corruption in the FBI known to the Judiciary for years from numerous sources including the Pentagon terror advisor Jesse Clear?

The Congress has been told about FBI failed policies by the FBI and the Congress never took action to correct these failures that contributed to the OKC bombing and to the 9/11 attacks. On March 3, 1995 members of the House of Representatives and Federal law enforcement were fully and officially and specifically alerted to a Middle Eastern assisted attack on the Murrah Federal Building in OKC in April 1995 by the Director of the House Task Force on Terrorism and Unconventional Warfare, Josef Bodansky, an expert on Bin Laden (Author of a book on Bin Laden).

FBI Director Louis Freeh testified before Congress in May 1995 after the OKC bombing that the FBI was following a policy of helping known Middle eastern terrorists enter the US on students visas (taking advantage of the weaknesses in the INS known to the FBI) so the FBI could follow them for years in the US. The FBI followed Ali Mohammed in the US and around the world from 1992 until 1998 while he worked for Bin Laden to set up AlQaeda terror cells in the US and helped in the 1993 WTC and Kenyan and Tanzanian bombings (may have helped in OKC bombing too). Yet former CIA counter terrorism official Larry Johnson told Congress last year that the FBI policy failed because the FBI also lost track of Ali Mohammed who the FBI knew all along was a double agent. These terrorist groups aided by the FBI for tracking purposes are now known to include Hamas, Abu Nidal and Alqaeda in the US.

The FBI policy of following known terrorists in the US for a long time as described by Freeh to Congress is still being practiced by the FBI and this is still known to Congressmen. A high level and veteran reporter and investigator for ABC at the Pentagon who knows Jesse Clear told me three weeks ago that he agreed with my assessment of the failed FBI policy of following ME terrorists for years when they commit terror acts like 9/11. The veteran ABC reporter called the FBI policy “stupid”.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News
KEYWORDS: 911attacks; conspiracy; defenbaugh; fbi; fredthompson; okcbombing
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To: OKCSubmariner; ratcat
Hello Patrick. Great post!

The Blaster

Congress Doesn't Read Our E-Mail

Vast Criminal Conspiracy

List of Convicted Criminals Serving in Congress

The Washington Times
Source
August 16, 2000

Given reports circulating on the Internet that hundreds of Washington lawmakers have committed crimes, the National Taxpayers Union Foundation set out to learn the truth.

"The truth is less dramatic," says the Washington-based foundation, "but still troubling enough. Although most senators and representatives have steered clear of the law, a number of rotten apples have rolled out of the barrel."

Here then is the list of former members of Congress who were convicted or pleaded guilty to major offenses between 1992 and 1999 (it does not include lawmakers disciplined by Congress' own internal investigations, such as Newt Gingrich or Bob Packwood):

• Nick Mavroules, Massachusetts Democrat: tax evasion, accepting illegal gratuity (1992).

• Albert Bustamante, Texas Democrat: racketeering (1993).

• Carroll Hubbard, Kentucky Democrat: fraud and corruption (1994).

• Carl Perkins, Kentucky Democrat: fraud (1994). • Charlie Rose, North Carolina Democrat: financial-disclosure irregularities (1994).

• Larry Smith, Florida Democrat: tax evasion (1994).

• Dave Durenberger, Minnesota Republican: financial-disclosure misdemeanor (1995).

• Walter Fauntroy, District of Columbia Democrat: financial-disclosure misdemeanor (1995).

• Gerald Kleczka, Wisconsin Democrat: arrested for DWI (1995 and 1990); convicted DWI (1987).

• Mel Reynolds, Illinois Democrat: sexual misconduct (1995).

• Walter Tucker, California Democrat: extortion (1995).

• Charles Wilson, Texas Democrat: paid $90,000 fine to Federal Election Commission (1995).

• Joe Kolter, Pennsylvania Democrat: fraud and conspiracy (1996).

• Dan Rostenkowski, Illinois Democrat: mail fraud (1996).

• Wes Cooley, Oregon Republican: lying about war record (1997).

• Jay Kim, California Republican: campaign-finance violations (1998).

• Mary Rose Oakar, Ohio Democrat: financial-disclosure irregularities (1998).

• Austin J. Murphy, Pennsylvania Democrat: vote fraud (1999).

Mark Twain once observed that Congress was America's "only native criminal class," the foundation recalls.

22 posted on 03/19/2002 11:08:26 PM PST by Uncle Bill
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To: Uncle Bill
Two well known polls about what Americans believe about Congress:

The vast majority of Americans believe Congressmen are crooks and scoundrels and place them below used car salesmen for lack of honesty.

But when asked about their own Congressmen, the majority of Americans believed their Congressman was trutstworthy , a good guy who represented their interests. They almost always thought it was the other Congressmen, not their own Congressmen, who were the bad guys.

No wonder we keep getting crooks and clowns and cowards elected to Congress. Congress is able to fool enough of the people enough of the time to keep getting elected using, international corporate contributers, Saudi and Chinese money.

23 posted on 03/19/2002 11:28:58 PM PST by OKCSubmariner
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To: Uncle Bill;OKC Submariner;Joe Montana
Think that this has anything to do with the fact that probably 95% of our elected officials are lawyers, one of the most despised professions in the U.S. ?

Mark Twain once observed that Congress was America's "only native criminal class," the foundation recalls.

24 posted on 03/20/2002 3:54:15 AM PST by Donald Stone
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To: OKCSubmariner
"Congress only listens to foreign interests, big corporate donars, the Saudis and wealthy Arabs and the Chinese these days."

Another suggested approach: remember Gibson's comment yesterday re:emails "I only read the short ones."

Keep in mind that many congressional staffers, like many journalists, are busy, and some (most?) of them regard the OKC/Waco activists as "nuts."

If you can convey the impression that you saw the Gibson show, or read Schippers' comments last week, and are highly alarmed by comments from highly respected people like Larry Johson and/or David Schippers, and do it concisely, your letters or calls may have more impact.

The most important message, for those of you who are constituents of any of those on the Senate Judiciary List, (see post #9) is to tell the staffers you are calling all your friends, and urging them NOT to vote for Senator X at the next election if they don't vote to further explore the OKC/Middle East connection. This may be particularly alarming to the Democrats on the list.

The same approach can be used in contacting the national media.

In other words, KISS. A la "This is an outrage, the media isn't reporting this, we want to know why, and it's the job of the Senate Judiciary Committee, given 9/11 and all the FBI problems recently, to make appropriate changes."

This is the liberal approach to lobbying, and, in this case, it can't hurt.

25 posted on 03/20/2002 3:59:39 AM PST by glorygirl
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To: OKCSubmariner
Clearly the first priority for the Department of Justice and the FBI should be to restore the perception that they are a professional law enforcement agency that has as their first concern the protection of our nation then the enforcement of its laws. This is not done by covering up any potential misconduct. The attacks of September 11, 2001 should have made this abundantly clear to anyone who has not been following the tales of the Fumbling Bumbling Idiots.

Those agents who engage in criminal acts do more harm to this nation than a million terrorists could ever contemplate. During the years of the Clinton administrationpromotions in the FBI seem to have gone to those who were policically aligned with the Clinton administration. A pervasive atmosphere of the FBI versus everyone else seems to have developed and permeated many if not most of the field offices.

The revalations in this post are very much a cause for the gravest concern but when combined with all the other revalations about FBI abuses including the Bulger/Flemmeni case, the recent Baltimore shooting of an innocent twenty year old, the promotion of agents involved in the Ruby Ridge fiasco (the shooting did occur during George H W Bush's presidency), the Robert Hansen debacle, the Wen Ho Lee farece, the Flight 800 investigation, and many other scandals it goes from being a grave concern to being a clear and present danger to the continued existence of the USA.

Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown

26 posted on 03/20/2002 5:45:22 AM PST by harpseal
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To: OKCSubmariner
And today we have former CIA counter terrorism official Larry Johnson stating that their was an Iraqi connection to the OKC bombing and that Ali Mohammed was in fact a double agent working for the FBI and Bin Laden and ALQaeda at the same time.

So that's where Larry Klayman is getting his information that Iraq was involved in the OKC bombing.

27 posted on 03/20/2002 6:05:35 AM PST by japaneseghost
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To: OKCSubmariner
Excellent post. How about more talk radio exposure ?
28 posted on 03/20/2002 8:46:47 AM PST by lawdog
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To: OKCSubmariner; thinden; mancini; rdavis84; Ronneil; AtticusX
Thank you for the outstanding post. I won't be able to observe the hearing tomorrow, but I trust that you will. Please let us know if any glimmer of hope comes out of the hearing. Thanks.
29 posted on 03/20/2002 11:01:43 AM PST by Fred Mertz
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To: OKCsubmariner; rdavis84; honway; golitely; Fred Mertz
OKC: who has custody of the dangum video tapes? is anybody trying to FOI these tapes?
30 posted on 03/20/2002 11:30:47 AM PST by thinden
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To: thinden
DOJ AG AShcroft is responsible ultimately for the surveillance tapes. He and FBI Director Mueller know where they are.
31 posted on 03/20/2002 12:19:52 PM PST by OKCSubmariner
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To: OKCSubmariner
Thanks for that answer. I was uncertain about the video tapes too.
32 posted on 03/20/2002 12:23:55 PM PST by Fred Mertz
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To: mewzilla,boston_liberty,Lion's Cub
BTTT and please see reply #16 also. Thanks.
33 posted on 03/20/2002 12:29:27 PM PST by OKCSubmariner
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To: backhoe
BUMP and please see reply #16. Thanks.
34 posted on 03/20/2002 5:46:33 PM PST by OKCSubmariner
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To: OKCSubmariner
Thanks for the ping. This is one of the most concise, easily understood overviews you've written so far.

Congress has whitewashed every bit of negligence/treason/malfeasance in the past decade, holding phoney hearings to try to maintain an appearance of some constitutional form of government. I do not expect anything but stagecraft from the hearing. I do not expect our constitutional republic to survive.

36 posted on 03/20/2002 11:35:50 PM PST by Lion's Cub
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To: OKCSubmariner
Bump
37 posted on 03/21/2002 3:53:57 AM PST by Wm Bach
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To: ratcat
thanx. the tapes offer "the mother lode" of evidence in this crime.
38 posted on 03/21/2002 4:40:34 AM PST by thinden
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To: Black Jade
BTTT!!!!!
40 posted on 04/01/2002 3:27:49 AM PST by E.G.C.
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