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"That I question a government and it's intentions that has shown little or no reason for me to trust it means I belong with the Moores and Baldwins of the world?"

You kind Sir/Madam are the one who is cited earlier in the thread as saying, "That isn't the kind of America I will feel proud to live in" at the thought of America "carrying a big stick".

And just who OR what do you assume stopped the former USSR from invading Western Europe? Same of the Nazis. China overrunning all of Asia. Good manners?? Respect?? Love of thy neighbor?? Just maybe it was and still is American presense.

Because we're not in Kansas anymore Toto, we'll have to adopt Teddy Roosevelt "big stick" theory, except when evil leaders happen to be ignoring the "speak softly" part...As to you my friend, who apparently is embarrassed by America, may you find more comfort and "pride" in sharing your utopian ideals with the likes of malcontented "AINOs" Moore and Baldwin.

Good points. But, we're dealing with individuals, not nations. Look back at those you listed. They have faces, borders, and cities. Our enemy is a religion of individuals. How do we fight them, absent a continual guerilla campaign, worldwide?

BTW, I like how you fly straight up while accelerating, but I'm just a MiG21.

I'm not embarrassed by America. I love this country and, most especially, what it stands for more than you will ever know. I'll take your insinuations and the scum you want to associate me with in stride.

I have no problems with what we did in WWII. I also support North Korea and Vietnam and the efforts to stem the spread of communism. I also thought the Gulf War was crucial. The big difference is all of those conflicts were started by other countries and we used our might to stop those who would conquer by force.

This case is a little different and it appears to be the beginning of us using our might to conquer. What if we don't like the next person to come to power in Iraq? I guess we bomb them too or we make sure the right kind of ruler gets in, either way we are the ones initiating force.

I support using our resources to dig out and remove every last vestige of Al Qaeda. Do I think bombing Afghanistan did that? No, but it helped since the Taliban was such a staunch supporter. Do I think bombing Iraq or any of the other 60 countries who have supported some terrorist group in some way will do it? Doubtful. Do I think obliterating any group that has inflicted harm on America is appropriate? You can bet your last dollar. Do I think oblitering any group who may have thought about it or who we think looks like a group who has thought about it is appropriate? You can tell the answer to that one from this thread.

I have no problem with differences of opinion but I do have a right to explain my side and discuss this subject in a rational manner.