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Showdown over U.S. Cuba policy nears
The Washington Times ^ | March 19, 2002 | Pete Kasperowicz

Posted on 03/19/2002 3:09:39 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife

Edited on 07/12/2004 3:52:09 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

A decades-old fight over the direction of Washington's Cuba policy is expected to enter a new phase this week as a bipartisan coalition of House members is scheduled to announce an organized effort to ease trade and travel restrictions against the Communist-ruled the island.


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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Cuba froze all foreign debt payments in 1983 while it was receiving billions of dollars from the former Soviet Union.

Cubas long-term foreign debt to its largest creditors, Spain, France, Germany, England and Japan total $11.2 billion. In addition, Cuba has a $20 billion debt to the former Soviet Union.

But Nethercutt thinks Cuba is a good credit risk?

21 posted on 03/19/2002 1:41:37 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez
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To: Luis Gonzalez
George Nethercutt thinks being on the public dole is heavenly. Obviously it doesn't bother him a murderous dictator like Fidel Castro should be extended the same treatment.
22 posted on 03/19/2002 1:43:47 PM PST by goldstategop
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To: William Wallace
THE DEADBEAT DICTATOR

Why business deals with Castro are a losing proposition. Avoiding financial relationships with Cuba has saved U.S. taxpayer money….

"Cuba stopped payment on all its foreign commercial and bilateral official debt with non-socialist countries in 1986. Because U.S. financial institutions were prohibited from financial dealings with Cuba, there was no U.S. exposure to Cuba's foreign debt moratorium."

U.S. International Trade Commission Report, 2001 Cuba’s debt continues to swell…..

"Officially, (Cuba’s debt) stands at close to $12 billion -roughly where it was in 1986, when the government defaulted on debt payments and suspended negotiations with creditors. But this figure is misleading. It excludes not just Cuba´s debt with Russia (estimated at $20 billion), but also that with China, Vietnam and the Czech Republic, as well as more recent loans, such as $13 million from South Africa for diesel engines bought in 1997 and $20 million to Chile for mackerel imports." Financial Times Cuba has not made significant economic reforms and remains rigidly centralized…

Cuba is listed under the category of "Repressed." Its Economic Freedom ranking is 152nd—only Iraq, Libya, and North Korea are ranked lower.

Index of Economic Freedom

"Recent government actions indicate that official attitudes towards economic reform may have soured….Increased obstacles to private sector activities and restrictions to foreign direct investments reveal heightened concerns about the loss of political control inherent in the economic reform process." Moody’s Investors Service Cuba refuses to pay its creditors….

"Cuba's efforts to attract direct investment from South Africa and to boost bilateral trade with its close ally are being frustrated by the island nation's failure to settle a 13 million dollar debt……Other companies which have approached the government for credit guarantees for trade with Cuba have been stymied because the Trade and Industry Ministry is wary of exposing itself to the Cuban risk until the debt is settled. " Xinhua "…Cuba also wants to pick and chose which countries it pays back. Japan and Germany are receiving payments, but not France, Italy or South Africa. (These countries) have recently cut off further credit to Cuba, in a bid to claw back some of what they are owed."

Financial Times

"Debt talks between Cuba and the Paris Club of creditor nations are indefinitely on hold…..on the table was $3.8 billion of official debt to Paris Club members, part of a much larger debt the Caribbean island piled up through the 1980s, until it began to default on payments and then stopped talking with creditors…."

"If foreign investors voice their dissatisfaction or have a conflict with the Cuban Government, they face severe reprisals. Loss of contracts, disagreements and even isolation can be a deathblow to a small or medium-sized company trying to make ends meet. Investors who are driven out of the island are generally not compensated. It is virtually impossible to file a claim against the Cuban Government in local courts. Furthermore, the Cuban Government doesn't have any assets abroad that may be seized. ….In the last year investors in Cuba have had a hard time particularly with the Cuban Government. One significant problem is the unreliability of the Cuban Government to pay its bills." Pax Christi Report.

"Today, Cuba continues to struggle to pay its creditors. Substantial sums remain unpaid to bunker suppliers, ship owners and ship repairers…debts remain unpaid, a trickle of payments subsists and the heated negotiations continue…" Canadian Maritime Advocate.

"U.S. exports to Cuba…based on average 1996-1998 trade data, would have been less than 0.5 percent of total U.S. exports….U.S. imports from Cuba, excluding sugar, would have been approximately $69 million to $146 million annually, or less than 0.5 percent of total U.S. imports." U.S. International Trade Commission Report.

Still think Cuba is a good place to do business?

AMERICAN TAXPAYERS, BEWARE!!!, YOU ARE THE TARGET OF A HUGE SCAM.

23 posted on 03/19/2002 2:10:13 PM PST by Dqban22
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To: GatĂșn(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
This Cuba thing continues to boggle my mind. For such a little island, it certainly occupies a lot of our politicians’ time

Ah, a stroll down memory lane.

I lived in Miami during the Castro revolution and recall a few facts.

When Castro was warring from the hills, most of the US backed him. Most of our politicians supported his effort. He proclaimed himself as the savior of Cuba. Small planes were gunrunning from small airstrips around S. Fla. The Feds would occasionally raid one of the strips, but they didn't really have their heart in it.

When Castro overthrew Batista, suddenly his real agenda came out.

The US offered aid to him, he told us to 'go to he**'. He executed hundreds if not thousands. I had several friends that had relatives shot.

Castro basically stuck his thumb in our eye. We haven't forgotten.

When he imported missiles, that was the last straw. Were they ALL removed? I don't think so.

The only way I would consider renewing relations with him is to have a team of inspectors cover every inch of that island looking for offensive weapons.

24 posted on 03/19/2002 2:13:42 PM PST by Vinnie
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To: Vinnie
The Americans were burned repeatedly by Castro and now some are feverishly anxious to be burned again. Remember that when the Europeans were enthusiastically pouring billions of dollars into the Soviet Union oil pipeline, President Reagan opposed any American money going to that project. The Europeans sustained enormous loses in all their dealing with the Soviet, Reagan stand firm by the American interests. Reagan was right and the softhearted American liberals (a.k.a. socialists) who supported the aid to the Soviet Union were wrong.

Now the useful idiots and Castro's lobbyists and agents in the Congress want to prop up Cuba's dying regime at the expense of the American taxpayers’ hard-earned money.

25 posted on 03/19/2002 2:46:35 PM PST by Dqban22
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To: William Wallace
I think this is a WIN-WIN. Castro gets the credit he wants, the Leftists have the satisfaction of helping a fellow Commie dirtbag kindred spirit, and the rest of us have the satisfaction of seeing Fidel bite the hand that feeds him. Only this time it's the LEFT hand. Think they'll go for it?

Go for it? Not for a minute. I mean they love the guy but they don't want to spend money loving him.
The "for cash" purchase was for show. Sort of like salting a gold mine.

26 posted on 03/19/2002 8:54:15 PM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Prodigal Daughter; Victoria Delsoul
Bumps!
27 posted on 03/19/2002 8:55:12 PM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
If Cuba had oil wells we'd be all over them like stink on s---
28 posted on 03/19/2002 8:57:35 PM PST by breakem
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Bump again!
29 posted on 03/19/2002 8:58:15 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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To: Dqban22
Blockade? Wow that would have the tyrant hopping! I expect Bush and his advisers are going to get Castro's attention with their "terrorist" designation.
30 posted on 03/19/2002 8:58:36 PM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Luis Gonzalez
What's with these Washington people? Don't they get enough sun?

American Women Meet With Castro-- ``It was certainly exciting to meet with him. He is a very charming and eloquent man,'' said Jeffords, who traveled here with the university's (University of Washington) Center for Women and Democracy.

31 posted on 03/19/2002 9:06:06 PM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: breakem
If Cuba had oil wells.......

Hell, if Cuba had oil wells, it would be our 51st state! Too bad we didn't think of that.
I believe other countries have negotiated to drill offshore in Cuba.

32 posted on 03/19/2002 9:12:36 PM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Vinnie
The only way I would consider renewing relations with him is to have a team of inspectors cover every inch of that island looking for offensive weapons.

How convenient we have an up and running base on the island.

33 posted on 03/19/2002 9:14:03 PM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: goldstategop; Victoria Delsoul
George Nethercutt thinks being on the public dole is heavenly. Obviously it doesn't bother him a murderous dictator like Fidel Castro should be extended the same treatment.

With Washington state having a lot of apples and peas to unload, their congressional delegation want's the American taxpayers to foot the bill.

Cuba wants to buy $4.5 million worth of Washington state peas and apples --[Excerpt] The Bush administration and Cuban exile groups support the embargo Cuba. But both Democratic and Republican lawmakers in the United States are increasingly fighting to ease and even eliminate the sanctions, seeing Cuba as a new market for American products. A farm bill in the Senate would allow third parties to finance purchases of agricultural products.

"We have normalized relations with people around the globe," Cantwell said. "I look at Cuba as one of our closest neighbors. I think we could benefit by changing our relationship there."

Cantwell visited Cuban leader Fidel Castro in January along with a delegation that brought Red Delicious apples, assorted vegetables and wines from the state. When the senator thought she would miss her flight, Castro escorted her to the airport in his black Mercedes.[End Excerpt]

If Castro just keeps putting cash on the old barrel head, there isn't a problem.

34 posted on 03/19/2002 9:26:14 PM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Thanks for the info, CW.

With Washington state having a lot of apples and peas to unload, their congressional delegation want's the American taxpayers to foot the bill.

That's absolutely correct.

35 posted on 03/19/2002 9:54:28 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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To: Victoria Delsoul
Bump!
36 posted on 03/20/2002 5:38:39 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Americans should read "Cuba in Revolution, Escape from a Lost Paradise" by Dr. Miguel A. Faria (www.haciendapub.com.)

Those who are not familiar with Castro's slave labor trade might "be shocked to learn that these musicians (The Buena Vista Social Club) are not reaping any of the fruits of their labor and talent...50% goes to its producer, Ry Cooder; 45 % to the Cuban government; 5% to non-Cuban technical staff, and zero % for the Cuban performers!" (Cuba in revolution, page 213.) All they get is the joy to travel out of Cuba, (while their families remain as hostages in Cuba) food and some clothes to make them presentable to the public.

The scam works in this way, to invest in Cuba the foreign entrepreneurs must give to Fidel Castro majority control in the ownership of the company and they are not allowed to hire directly any Cuban worker, they must do it through Castro. The salary is from $400 to $500 dollars monthly and is paid to a Castro’s agent, then, Castro pays the Cuban worker 400 to 500 Cuban worthless pesos that in the official exchange is 25 Cuban pesos per dollar. In other words, the Cuban worker receives the equivalent of $16 to $20 dollars a month in Cuban currency, Castro keeps for himself over 95% of the salary received by each Cuban employed by a foreign company!

In fact according to U.S. laws, what Mr. Cooder is doing is being involved in a bribe of 45% to Castro in order to be able to exploit those poor Cubans. That is against U.S. laws that forbid bribing foreign functionaries in order to close business deals and also against international labor laws that prohibit the garnish of workers’ salaries by companies or government entities.

Everyone involved in business with Castro is accepting him as a partner in the slave labor trade.

37 posted on 03/20/2002 9:21:58 AM PST by Dqban22
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Go for it? Not for a minute. I mean they love the guy but they don't want to spend money loving him.

That's right, they love the guy but not enough to spend their own money loving him.

Nothing illustrates the folly of a bad idea better than asking its proponents to put their money where their mouth is. That's why my favorite response to any liberal government spending schemes is: "Great idea! I'm part of a group that's raising money for this. How much can we put you down for?"

Ask a liberal to open his wallet and he'll suddenly discover his fiscal conservative inner child.

38 posted on 03/21/2002 9:45:56 AM PST by William Wallace
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To: William Wallace
How much can we put you down for?" Ask a liberal to open his wallet and he'll suddenly discover his fiscal conservative inner child.

Beautiful!

39 posted on 03/21/2002 9:50:30 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: William Wallace; RJayneJ
Seconded.
40 posted on 03/21/2002 9:52:53 AM PST by denydenydeny
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