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I haven't "given up" mol, I love America as you do. Part of fighting the fight is holding accountable even those politicians who we think are our allies.

Well I am glad to hear that and don't get me wrong I have no problems in questioning Bush on issues .. but what I have been seeing around these threads .. Many are not questioning first .. instead jumping ship before all the facts are out.

I am not saying that you are part of this .. it's just a general statment

We have almost 300 million American's in this country and some folks around here want Bush to do what they want NOW .. regardless of the outcome

If folks want to have President Hillary Clinton in 2004 .. a good way to do is for Bush to come in and start throwing his weight around .. I don't know about other folks but the 8 yr nightmare of the Clinton's was enough for me

It may be hard .. but baby steps are needed to get things fixed .. Give the people taste of what really works and they will end up wanting more...

I appreciate your even-handedness, but I think your premise is a little flawed. For the most part, people aren't getting a "taste of what really works" in the domestic agenda, excepting tax cuts, which I will gladly admit is good. What we're getting is a slightly smaller taste of Democrat-style liberalism. So that's what people will want more of - increases in education, loosening of immigration laws, CFR, etc. The general direction Bush is going is leftward, towards bigger government. It isn't that Bush is compromising a little but still trending rightward so that people will move that way with him. I fear it's the opposite - he gives his right wing base a bone or two (like 300 bucks back), but is steadily moving us the wrong way, albeit a little slower than the Dems would like. My view is he should use the amazing amount of goodwill and political capital he currently has to truly lead domestically like he has in the war. It appears to me he actually does envision a bigger, but perhaps more "compassionate" and trustworthy government. I'd rather not entrust compassion to Washington DC, I'll handle that myself. Compromise is necessary of course, it can't be all or nothing. But honestly, IMO, having a modest tax cut and no estate tax is not a sufficient trade-off for the other domestic proposals Bush is holding hands with the Democrats on. BTW, I understand you not wanting the Clintons back. But we can't live our lives doing everything in fear of their return. The fact is, they were already defeated in a sense in 2000 when Bush narrowly defeated Gore. Moving forward with a honest, strong conservative agenda doesn't guarantee defeat in the future, unless you're conceding the only way to beat them is to be just a little less liberal than they are. also, Hillary can run in 2008 too, so should we keep caving until then too? See where that philosophy leads, there's always another election around the corner. I don't want to win elections but lose the fight for smaller government and more freedom.