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To: #3Fan
"were probably built by a people like the Chachapoya."

I went looking for information on these folks the last time you mentioned them and found a little. Can you lead me to some detailed information about them? Thanks ahead of time.

38 posted on 03/19/2002 5:10:47 PM PST by blam
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To: blam
Try this website

Warriors of the Clouds: A Lost Civilization in the Upper Amazon of Peru

And I thing you might find some more stuff or either the History channel or Discovery Channel web site. One of them had a special on the Mummies of the Chachapoyas but I can't remember who.

a. cricket

39 posted on 03/19/2002 5:53:14 PM PST by another cricket
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To: blam;#3fan;another cricket;Light Speed
I thought the following comment from the author of Warriors of the Clouds (and from the website http://chachapoyas.com/ - under comments and conversation) was very interesting.

Date: Sat Nov 28 14:19:12 1998
Name: Keith Muscutt
Subject: White, blue-eyed, bearded Atlanteans, Martian, etc.
Comments: As the author of Warriors..., I need to make my personal position clear on some of the issues raised in this forum.
Despite speculation, sensationalism, and flat-out money-grubbing lies, none of the researchers I respect have ever encountered
anything in the Chachapoya area (modern or ancient) which suggests or requires the intervention of any of the following
in the establishment and florescence of the Chachapoya civilization:

Blue-eyed, bearded white men; Egyptians; Phoenicians; Martians; Atlanteans; Lost tribes of Israelites; Mormons; Irish priests paddling corracles; etc.
Indeed, all the scientific evidence suggests that indigenous, native-American cultures developed entirely independent of Old World
(or interplanetary) contact subsequent to the initial human immigrations into the Americas.

My views on this subject are clearly spelled out in "Warriors..." for anyone who cares to read them.
Personally, I remain open to the possibility of trans-Pacific and/or trans-Atlantic contact.
There is some circumstantial evidence to that effect which has been presented by reputable authorities,
but nothing which convinces me so far. I find it disappointing that so many people continue to invoke mysterious, unsubstantiated, and worse yet unsubstantiable, causes behind the development of ancient American civilizations.
In some cases these opinions seem tinged with a kind of racist assumption that native-Americans do not have the intellectual skills to develop high levels of culture.
Others are simply engaged in flights of fantasy. Feel free to continue discussing these issues here.
However, I hope some of the contributors will chime in occasionally to challenge irrational or misinformed claims.
Thank you. Your host, Keith Muscutt.

41 posted on 03/19/2002 9:23:53 PM PST by d4now
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To: blam
I went looking for information on these folks the last time you mentioned them and found a little. Can you lead me to some detailed information about them? Thanks ahead of time.

Yes I remember last time I couldn't find the eye-witness account of the hiker who described the blond, tall, white natives in detail who were probably the descendents of the Chachapoya. About all I still have is anothers cricket's link.

43 posted on 03/19/2002 11:46:06 PM PST by #3Fan
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