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Allies and Espionage
Jane's Intelligence Review ^ | 3/15/02 | Jane's

Posted on 03/18/2002 9:00:20 PM PST by DrLiberty

It is rather strange that the US media, with one notable exception, seems to be ignoring what may well prove to be the most explosive story since the 11 September attacks - the alleged break-up of a major Israeli espionage operation in the United States which aimed to infiltrate both the justice and defence departments and which may also have been tracking Al-Qaeda terrorists before the aircraft hijackings took place.

The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) has been quick to dismiss a 4 March report by Intelligence Online, a French web site that specialises in security matters (and expanded on by French daily Le Monde the following day) that US authorities had arrested or deported some 120 Israelis since February 2001 and that the investigation was still continuing. The FBI insists that no Israeli has been charged with espionage, but has agreed that an undisclosed number of Israeli students have been expelled for "immigration violations". Justice Department spokeswoman Susan Dryden dismissed the espionage allegations as "an urban myth that’s been circulating for months..."

If the reports from Paris are correct, it would be the largest known Israeli espionage operation mounted in the USA, the Jewish state’s closest ally and one on which it depends for its survival.

Israel’s intelligence organisations have been spying on the USA and running clandestine operations on US soil since the Jewish state was established.

This has included smuggling an estimated 200 pounds of weapons-grade uranium for its secret nuclear arms programme in the 1960s to widescale industrial espionage, much of it conducted by the highly secret Scientific Liaison Bureau, known by its Hebrew acronym Lakam, which was run by the Israeli Defence Ministry and its equally little-known successor Malmab (the Security Authority for the Ministry of Defence). Indeed, the General Accounting Office, the investigative arm of the US Congress, reported in April 1996 that Israel "conducts the most aggressive espionage operation against the United States of any US ally".

While the sort of operation described by Intelligence Online and Le Monde (if indeed the allegation is true) is unlikely to have caused anywhere near the damage to US security inflicted by navy analyst Jonathan Pollard, an American who was sentenced to life imprisonment in 1987 for providing Israeli intelligence with a mountain of top secret material in 1984-85, it would still be political dynamite which could result in a political backlash against Israel which is finding itself increasingly isolated within the international community...

US officials admitted to reporters that the entire investigation had become "too hot to handle", but declined to give further details. However, some FBI officials did confirm at the time that the Israelis were running a major eavesdropping operation that had penetrated into the highest echelons of the US administration.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 911; coverup; israelis; mossad; spikednews; spyring
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To: Cindy
I agree with Daniel Pipes on most everything. He should have stayed away from this story however.
21 posted on 03/19/2002 5:01:03 AM PST by LarryLied
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To: mmmmmmmm....... donuts
So far, it's the same old allegations repeated time and time again.

Old news. Time to move on. The American people are sick and tired of this story. No one will find a shred of evidence. Inneundo. Hearsay. Innocent until proven guilty.

23 posted on 03/19/2002 5:14:50 AM PST by LarryLied
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To: LarryLied
Not saying time to move on, all I'm saying is it is the same allegation in a different publication. Tell me what's new here.
24 posted on 03/19/2002 5:32:48 AM PST by mmmmmmmm....... donuts
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To: mmmmmmmm....... donuts
What's new is Jane's finds it worth reporting. What will happen however is now the party line will be: "Nothing new here. Move on."
25 posted on 03/19/2002 5:39:49 AM PST by LarryLied
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To: LarryLied
Thanks for confirming my thesis. At least you're honest that Jane's has nothing that Le Monde or anyone else had.
26 posted on 03/19/2002 5:54:29 AM PST by mmmmmmmm....... donuts
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To: mmmmmmmm....... donuts
Enough is out there. Hamas and other terrorist organizations have been rasing money in the USA for a decade or so. Muslims have formed groups in America similar to the ADL. Politicians such as Bonior are now heavily influenced by the Muslim vote. Does it make any sense that Mossad would not be in the USA trying to counter this?
27 posted on 03/19/2002 6:14:56 AM PST by LarryLied
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To: Phil V.
Where are V*****ca and d****sw?

Signals intelligence is a fascinating hobby, isn't it?

28 posted on 03/19/2002 7:46:59 AM PST by LarryLied
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To: LarryLied
fyi . . . LOL!
29 posted on 03/19/2002 7:53:07 AM PST by Phil V.
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To: CommiesOut;Larry Lied
A sad day for all comrades when such things are printed by as prestigious a source as Jane's
30 posted on 03/19/2002 7:57:28 AM PST by mv1
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To: LarryLied
Just because it's logical for Mossad to be poking around the U.S., doesn't mean it's true. As Freud once said, sometimes a cigar is only a cigar.
31 posted on 03/19/2002 8:23:36 AM PST by mmmmmmmm....... donuts
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To: Phil V.;CommiesOut
Surely Jonathan Pollard proves we have nothing to worry about from Israel--they wouldn't do anything bad to us.
32 posted on 03/19/2002 8:52:31 AM PST by mv1
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To: DrLiberty
Tiny Israel surrounded by 13,000,000,000 Arabs.



33 posted on 03/19/2002 9:09:52 AM PST by jo6pac
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To: LarryLied
Does it make any sense that Mossad would not be in the USA trying to counter this?

No, especially since our guys were told to be PC, and thus couldn't act against these groups.

I think most of us wouldn't be surprised to learn that Israel had spys here, but certain elements (ahem) within our society are hellbent on concluding that these "agents" were the perpetrators of 9/11. Hint: these are the same "elements" that regularly refer to Israelis drinking Palestinian babies' blood...

34 posted on 03/19/2002 9:25:50 AM PST by browardchad
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To: browardchad
certain elements (ahem) within our society are hellbent on concluding that these "agents" were the perpetrators of 9/11

As you know, the Arabs are pushing that line . I don't think many here believe that. Some do suggest Israel knew ahead of time and these possible spies are tied to that. I do suspect some are encouraging both theories among whackos in order to make this subject unfit to be discussed or investigated.

35 posted on 03/19/2002 11:25:17 AM PST by LarryLied
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To: the_Watchman
Spies that smuggle enriched uranium out of the United States are to be desired over those that smuggle enriched uranium into the United States!

Considering the most likely scenario should an Islamic terrorist nuke go off in the US (the total destruction of World Islam), and who would most benefit from such a scenario, the capability of smuggling uranium in EITHER direction is troubling to me

36 posted on 03/19/2002 12:03:54 PM PST by SauronOfMordor
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To: SauronOfMordor
The only answer is for the USA and Israel to jointly take out the trash. Israel won't have to worry about security and Americans who are, rightly, resentful of Israel messing in US politics can relax because there will no longer be a need for Israel to be so intrusive in our affairs.
37 posted on 03/19/2002 3:52:33 PM PST by LarryLied
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To: mv1;mcgoo;mad_as_he$$;CommiesOut
Why hasn't this thread received the usual flurry of denials and name-calling? Think other main stream media outlets are about to pick up on this?
38 posted on 03/19/2002 5:09:21 PM PST by LarryLied
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To: LarryLied
I answered all questions on the other thread, comrade.
39 posted on 03/19/2002 5:13:33 PM PST by CommiesOut
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To: LarryLied
The thread is kinda quiet
40 posted on 03/19/2002 6:31:03 PM PST by SauronOfMordor
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