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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
Here is a bit more on the Strauss business.

Keyes studied with the great Straussian, Allan Bloom, who once called him the sharpest student he ever taught.

But Keyes broke with the more sceptical East Coast Straussians decades ago, over the very matters mentioned here, among them the truth of the Christian Religion, and the dangers of merely attending to the social utility of religion. One consequence of this is that he argues much more forcefully on abortion than guys like Bill Kristol or Walter Berns, and another is that he admires Lincoln more wholeheartedly than Kristol or his father do. Of the great students of Strauss in current academic circles, Keyes is most like Harry Jaffa, though Jaffa is not Christian.

IMHO, Strauss remains a powerful, and on the whole, beneficial influence on Republican and American thought, but Keyes is way beyond being a "disciple." He is his own man, and must be judged as such.

Nice to see you so learned on these things, BTW!

Cheers,

Richard F.

89 posted on 03/16/2002 4:16:23 PM PST by rdf
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To: rdf
Kristol pere and fils are ambivalent on Lincoln? I don't think abortion can really be put easily into the ideological spectrum, the more I think about it. You no doubt disagree. To me it involves scientific and leap of faith issues.
94 posted on 03/16/2002 4:21:33 PM PST by Torie
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To: rdf
Nice to see you so learned on these things, BTW!

I would not say that I am learned, but I attended a number of ISI seminars, and got acquainted with Berns, Russell Kirk, and Mel Bradford, among many others. That reminds me, maybe we could start a thread for conservative intellectual concepts. If my fellow Hobbits and I can do it, certainly there is enough material for serious discussion in the area of conservative thinking?

97 posted on 03/16/2002 4:25:31 PM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: rdf
is that he admires Lincoln more wholeheartedly than Kristol or his father do

What's the big deal about Lincoln?

110 posted on 03/16/2002 4:40:15 PM PST by Amelia
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To: rdf
Keyes studied with the great Straussian, Allan Bloom, who once called him the sharpest student he ever taught.

Bloom, at least, writes so well that he charms rather than repulses the reader, so one is (if sympathetic) willing to read his book again and again, with closer and closer attention; but not even the most sympathetic reader can really be sure, in the end, precisely what Bloom really means, behind all the good and important things he does say.
--Karl Jahn

Yup. Alan is a Straussian.

131 posted on 03/16/2002 5:25:39 PM PST by LarryLied
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To: rdf; Lucius Cornelius Sulla; Torie
Keyes studied with the great Straussian, Allan Bloom, who once called him the sharpest student he ever taught.

What, is there now a degree requirement for being a citizen? Having an opinion? Discussing Keyes?

Does everyone who doesn't have at least a BA in philosophy from Xavier or better, have to go home? What's the threshold these days?

190 posted on 03/17/2002 12:02:08 AM PST by lentulusgracchus
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