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The cross: A symbol, but of what?
AP via Providence Journal ^ | 3/16/02 | RICHARD N. OSTLING

Posted on 03/16/2002 6:42:19 AM PST by LarryLied

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To: RnMomof7
You are not alone, Terry. la$tminutepardon is the same way.)

? Yep, hard core Christian, won't even consider reading his Nephi this and Moroni that.

241 posted on 03/26/2002 10:25:18 AM PST by la$tminutepardon
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To: CCWoody
BTW, is LarryLied a mormon? He posted the thread.

At the time of the Olympics when the thread against Mormon bashing was going on, he posted another one, the same that was banned earlier. I confronted him that he was deliberately trying to provoke a Saturday night slaughter of the true saints, and for my money, he's at it again, along with WM.

242 posted on 03/26/2002 10:29:08 AM PST by la$tminutepardon
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To: RnMomof7
OK I thought you had "levels " of heaven and that everyone went to one level or another..

Paul did speak of the third heaven and an understanding of Jewish beliefs will clear it up. As usual, spiritually dull individuals take it at its first meaning and build doctrine around it.......

243 posted on 03/26/2002 10:34:41 AM PST by la$tminutepardon
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To: restornu; Wrigley
I did not bring up the subject it was Wrigley who spoke of Wesley and if the Book was by Donna Hill he did not report correctly.

Wrigley is not reading the book by Donna Hill (who I believe is LDS?). I am. Wrigley was reading or had read another book regarding Mormonism. I just started the book and there are no baptisms spoken of yet.

244 posted on 03/26/2002 11:04:41 AM PST by Ward Smythe
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To: Ward Smythe
That is correct. I was speaking about the book, One Nation Under Gods by Richard Abanes.
245 posted on 03/26/2002 11:51:26 AM PST by Wrigley
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To: Some hope remaining.
So it sounds like the only ticket to hell is blaspheming the Holy Spirit? Is that true?

Do you understand WHY we would consider you outside mainstream Christianity?

246 posted on 03/26/2002 12:47:18 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: LarryLied, White Mountain,Grig,CubicleGuy,Illbay
Larry, I don't know who you are, but folks are talking about you with out flag you. #242

Just what are you at it again about?

You too White Mountain what are you at again?

It was said this place crawls?

247 posted on 03/26/2002 1:42:16 PM PST by restornu
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To: LarryLied
I think that the cross is an unfortunate symbol, but not for the reasons these people allege. Too bad that violent death has to occur, I guess they would outlaw it if they could, eh?

The cross is, to me, a symbol of the defeat of the mortal Christ. It is about His DEATH, when in fact the entire purpose of His atoning sacrifice was not DEATH, but LIFE EVERLASTING.

Therefore, the symbol of Christianity is and ought to be the resurrected Christ Himself.

If He had been hung, people would wear nooses about their necks. Had He been beheaded, little axes. That's pointless. Focusing on His death is pointless.

248 posted on 03/26/2002 1:54:41 PM PST by Illbay
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To: Ward Smythe
Thank you for clearing that up.
Now I know why he left out vital words like-

request or ask to be baptised most likely it was in the book.

249 posted on 03/26/2002 1:55:09 PM PST by restornu
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To: Illbay
Post # 240 Chuck Swindoll a non-LDS has an excellent talk on the how Our Lord died
and said about the same thing you said about the cross and more.

His talks on the trials are very informative.
He dose good work on gathering historical facts.

These are talks which can be hear on real play!

250 posted on 03/26/2002 2:05:19 PM PST by restornu
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To: RnMomof7
Yeah, the only ticket to a permanent Hell. But that's not to imply a ticket to heaven with no stops in between for the rest -- as you saw if you read the references.

As for your other comment, I'm not too concerned with what you consider us. My observation on the Calvinist threads is that y'all will attack anyone and everything. It seems that about the only thing Calvinists and the rest of the Protestants can agree with each other on is that they all disagree with Catholics, Mormons, etc. And the only thing that Calvinists, non-Calvinist Protestants, and Catholics can agree together on (having the Trinity belief in common) is that they disagree with Mormons. And the only thing Calvinists, non-Calvinists, Catholics, and Mormons can agree on is that they/we disagree with Jehovah's Witnesses. etc. etc. etc. Yeah, sure, I'm over simplifying but that's the basic idea.

251 posted on 03/26/2002 2:31:25 PM PST by Some hope remaining.
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To: restornu
Hey if you are talking about me, don't be rude, ask me. No, it says in the book that it was done without the consent of those baptized. It is hard to give consent when you are dead. Unless of course you are using seers, which was something Smith would do.
252 posted on 03/26/2002 2:32:26 PM PST by Wrigley
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To: Some hope remaining.
If that is what you believe you have an extremly simplistic understanding on what we are "fighting" over. But it is true, we are, or should be, united in pointing the false teachings of the mormon church.
253 posted on 03/26/2002 2:36:56 PM PST by Wrigley
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To: Illbay
The more I learn about Mormonism, the more I see how much work has to be done to show Mormons the truth of the falsenss of the Mormon religeon. The "defeat" of the mortal Christ? What??
254 posted on 03/26/2002 2:39:47 PM PST by Wrigley
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To: Jean Chauvin
Look at this.
255 posted on 03/26/2002 2:44:35 PM PST by Wrigley
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To: Wrigley
That is correct. I was speaking about the book, One Nation Under Gods by Richard Abanes.

Oh yes! this person
THE ABANES ABOMINATION CRI supporter, author, and former employee, Richard Abanes, goes on the offensive concerning CRI, Hank Hanegraaff, On The Edge, and more.

No one knows. No one, that is, except Abanes. And that he will have to live with. What a supreme disappointment Abanes is. He has virtually become a liar, a manipulator, and a seeker of self aggrandizement - all at his own expense. He has reportedly come full circle since being showing his rage and indignation against Hanegraaff, and has all but become like Hanegraaff."

256 posted on 03/26/2002 4:36:13 PM PST by restornu
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To: Wrigley
picky! picky!; if you follow the theards it was in addressing the person who post to me.

No, it says in the book that it was done without the consent of those baptized. It is hard to give consent when you are dead.

You know nothing what the Lord instructs His servants that are calls as was Aaron -

Heb. 5
4 And no man taketh this honour unto himself, but he that is called of God, as was Aaron.

A prophet of the Lord is to perform sacred ordinances and that includes baptism for the and at times will be contacted by those from the Paradise/Spirit World

2 CORINTHIANS 12
Paul caught up to the third heaven—The Lord gives men weaknesses that they may triumph over them—Paul manifests the signs of an apostle. 2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven.

3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;)

4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.

ISAIAH 55
8 ¶ For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.

9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

257 posted on 03/26/2002 4:56:08 PM PST by restornu
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To: restornu
Once again post a website that does not talk to the contents of the book, but attempts to impeach the man. Try again.
258 posted on 03/26/2002 5:02:20 PM PST by Wrigley
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To: restornu; RnMomof7; la$tminutepardon; OrthodoxPresbyterian; Wrigley; Jean Chauvin; the_doc...
It was said this place crawls?

Yep, I have been made to understand that you do not worship the Ancient of Days so I do assert that "this place crawls" with those who DENY Almighty God in some kind of wierd hatred of Him.

259 posted on 03/26/2002 5:05:50 PM PST by CCWoody
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To: Wrigley
Once again post a website that does not talk to the contents of the book, but attempts to impeach the man. Try again.

Wrigley, I come to the conclusion you are brain dead!

He is a liar, a manipulator, and a seeker of self aggrandizement

260 posted on 03/26/2002 5:12:38 PM PST by restornu
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