The cross: A symbol, but of what?

AP via Providence Journal ^ | 3/16/02 | RICHARD N. OSTLING

[Grig]

...discern Scripture with other Scripture

Even this is IMHO far from being a wise and usefull course to take. It seems to try and give validation to circular logic. In the end, you are still relying on man's intellect to discern the meaning of both, and two wrongs don't make a right.

My religion is consistant with my religion's view of the scriptures, and likewise for your religion and pretty well everybody else too. They disagree with eachother, but internaly they are consistant and every one of us can use our view of the scriptures to discern scripture with other scripture in a way that supports our religion. Nothing is solved.

Nor do I think that such an approach is scriptural itself. James 1:5 promises that God will answer sincere prayers and help guide his followers to the truth, and I trust in that. Instead of resorting to 'a decade of rigorous study', we may simply ask God, who already knows.

[Cvengr]

Religion is a device of Satan and of perhaps of arrogant men. A relationship with God is not a device of Satan.

[RnMomof7]

Just an interesting sidebar----I noticed a significant amount of earthly/worldly attacks on those who are generally righteous for about the last 4 weeks, yet today, there seems to be a lull and more peaceful tone about things. Perhaps merely my little world, but either a calm before the storm or perhaps some subsidence in an angelic conflict. Have you noticed any similarity in events about yourselves?

Perhaps it is the Holy week effect huh?*grin*

It has seemed that there has ben a spiritual war recently ..I have noted an increase in anger among the body..this too will pass!

[White Mountain]

Your #160: yet today, there seems to be a lull and more peaceful tone about things.

I have felt that also.

[restornu]

Because of your report from RA on JS, I wanted to understand more about
this Richard Abanes I found it on a search engine.
CRI dose not have clean hands they make a lot of money off of sensation
and by being malicious (WM of CRI) back ground is similar to (RA)
Its best you don’t continue this, seek the presents of the Lord and walk in His light.

Wrigley, if the Lord told us first to seek the Kingdom of God, and to feed His sheep, (by word and deed.)
All the rest would be added unto us, no where has the Lord asked us to seek out what others do like a CIA type of organization to investigate his children, for this is the way the world operates.
Did not our Lord tell us to always pray and exercise faith?

In all due respect

[Wrigley]

I suppose if I go down that path as you say, I'll be led to the dark, ugly, and un-Biblical truth of Mormonism. That would be bad. I want to thank you for posting that link though. It gave me another resource as I learn more about the false religeon that Mormonism is.

BTW, I understand your need to be polite, but I am not sure what you mean by "In all due respect."

And I ask that with all due respect.

[restornu]

I suppose if I go down that path as you say, I'll be led to the dark, ugly, and un-Biblical truth of Mormonism. That would be bad. I want to thank you for posting that link though. It gave me another resource as I learn more about the false religeon that Mormonism is.

You are welcome to use your free will to follow the Lords way or your own way, Wrigley!
Of course the Lords way we must pray and exercise faith, discerning the Holy Spirit.
This takes patience and effort on our part to learn of Him.

The Worlds way is more familiar and seems to be more fulfilling for the spirit of got yaw!
Or I'll show you etc.
It’s void of all Love, and true to the nature of the natural man.

[Grig]

Religion is a device of Satan and of perhaps of arrogant men.

I don't deny that Satan and men have used religion as a means to their own ends, but Christ himself organized his followers and called leaders, thus establishing a religion, so I wouldn't paint them all with the same brush.

A relationship with God is not a device of Satan.

Of course not, but what kind of relationship can it be if He will not talk to you, or if you refuse to listen to those He has called?

[Some hope remaining.]

Perhaps it is the Holy week effect huh?*grin*

And here I thought it was just because the olympics are over. ;^)

[RnMomof7]

LOL:

[RnMomof7]

Where did Wesley asked to be baptised a mormon?

[RnMomof7]

Joseph Smith had a seizure disorder.. voices may have been as he was "coming out" of a seizure..

[RnMomof7]

And your point is? I challenge you to read his book and comment on what he has written instead of the man himself. Show me what is wrong about what he has written about the Mormon church and how it began. If it is all lies, then you have nothing to fear. But if it's the truth, I would understand your trepidation.

They may be forbidden from reading it Wrigley..rest does the church have a "do not read list?"

[Wrigley]

I suspect as much, which is why I asked the question. Nothing personal meant against restornu, but the first response was to attempt to impeach the author.

[RnMomof7]

Accordingly he drew up a list of names, which included the signers and John Wesley and Christopher Columbus, and saw to it that their work was done.

Who were these "spirit" children?(They would have brothers of jesus and lucifer right? The sexual product of god and his wife's intercourse??)

Do you have their request or the request of Wesley in their hand and is it open to public view?

[Wrigley]

That, I didn't know. I've finished another book on Mormonism and Joe Smith and neither have mentioned that.

[RnMomof7]

Your #140: I suspect faith in that Word is indeed sufficient for personal salvation and outstanding if not perfect guidance for the body of believers who simply seek a relationship with Him and to remain in that fellowship. Anyone who, throughout his life, reads the Bible with an honest heart, seeking God, forsaking his sins, humbling himself as a little child, trying his utmost to follow Jesus and live the way He teaches us, loving and serving God and his neighbor, devoted to his family, is going to find himself in heaven when all is said and done. He is faithful with the light he has been given and will be given more and more light until the perfect day.

First of all most Christians would deny the "works" part of your salvation process

I think you do not believe in a hell correct? But isn't it true that only those observant Mormons married in the temple can become gods and have their own planets which they populate with souls made with their wives/ (Isn't that why the early church believed in a man needing many wives?)

[RnMomof7]

It wouldn't surprise me if other Scripture exists other than what we understand to be the Old and New Testaments in the Bible, but I've found that in searching for them and rigorous search for translations and interpretations that what is available to us today in say the KJV, NASB, NIV, if read book by book, chapter by chapter in one sitting, provides more than enough guidance for at least a decade of rigorous study.

God choose the cannon of scripture..there are alot of other texts out there that are historically interesting but not part of the inspired cannon

As a side note I will say that Jesus quoted every book in the OT..I would say He knows the inspired cannon..

[restornu]

Where did Wesley asked to be baptised a mormon?

Wesley did not ask to be baptised a Mormon.

[RnMomof7]

Wesley asked to be baptized and received his endowments in the House of the Lord, along with 100 other renowned souls. No apostles said we should baptize these folks.

Wesley did not ask to be baptised a Mormon.

Are you saying that your earlier statement was not correct? Was He baptised as a Mormon even if he did not ask??