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To: Smile-n-Win
"Jesus also made it quite clear that he did not intend to change the law in any way whatsoever. (Matthew 5:17.18) Thus, Jesus's word is not law, it's just a practical how-to guide on attaining salvation."

Yes, but it's pretty ridiculous to say that the United States was "founded" on "Christian principles" when the United States was founded on ARMED REBELLION!

We are certainly not required to turn the other cheek.

I guess that would depend on whether you consider yourself a Christian, and whether you, in your own words, follow Jesus':

..how-to guide on attaining salvation.

68 posted on 03/17/2002 6:14:21 AM PST by Mark Bahner
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To: Mark Bahner
Yes, but it's pretty ridiculous to say that the United States was "founded" on "Christian principles" when the United States was founded on ARMED REBELLION!

The end was justice. The means was armed rebellion. So I would rather say she was founded on justice.

We are certainly not required to turn the other cheek.

I guess that would depend on whether you consider yourself a Christian, and whether you, in your own words, follow Jesus':

..how-to guide on attaining salvation.

Again, Jesus did not indend to change the law. The law had even said, "an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth." (Which means, as I understand it, that if somebody attacks you or infringes on your property, you may bloody well defend yourself.)

And Jesus did not say, "From now on, 'an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth' shall be superseded by 'Thou shalst turn the other cheek.'" Yet again, he said he did not intend to change the law in any way whatsoever. "An eye for an eye" is still in force; the right to self-defense has never been questioned by anyone I call a real Christian.

What Jesus said is that there is no obligation of forceful self-defense. When you can turn your adversary into a friend, why not do it. Practical guidelines for everyday interaction, you see?

And indeed, your colonial forefathers did not resort to armed rebellion until they were convinced of the futility of trying to be friends with King George. "Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies..." So they acted just like Christians are supposed to!

74 posted on 03/17/2002 9:21:37 AM PST by Smile-n-Win
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