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To: jimt
Unfortunately the author forgets than in the debate over the language of the Declaration, it was proposed that the words "endowed by their Creator" should be "endowed by their Creator, the Lord Jesus Christ".

And it's a good thing, too, because it's theologically illiterate. The Word, the second Person of the Trinity, is eternal, and all creatures have their existence THROUGH the eternal Word. The Word became Flesh 2,000 years ago, and only THEN was there a "Lord Jesus Christ." It is GOD who is the Creator--all three Divine Persons. Jesus Christ is God, but it is absurd to ascribe creation to "the Lord Jesus Christ," for even though Christ is the eternal Word made Flesh, "Jesus Christ" did not exist when the universe was made.

21 posted on 03/15/2002 12:00:05 PM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: Arthur McGowan
Jesus Christ is God, but it is absurd to ascribe creation to "the Lord Jesus Christ," for even though Christ is the eternal Word made Flesh, "Jesus Christ" did not exist when the universe was made.

Really? The how were "all things made through Him and by Him"?

31 posted on 03/15/2002 12:18:57 PM PST by Jefferson Adams
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To: Arthur McGowan
If you're interested in expanding your knowledge of how the triune God works, get a copy of "The Trinity," by Bickersteth. It'll change your life.

Bickersteth lines up prophecies with fulfillments and shows how, *many* times, things that were prophecied for the Father to do, the Son actually fulfilled.

All three members of the Trinity are One. And they aren't just eternal, because "time" is a part of God's creation. He (They) live outside of that.

33 posted on 03/15/2002 12:22:19 PM PST by Jefferson Adams
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To: Arthur McGowan
And it's a good thing, too, because it's theologically illiterate.

Arthur, I've also heard the Trinity described as the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost.

It's immaterial. The point is that they had an explicit opportunity to insert Christianity into the Declaration, and they did not. Jefferson, a Deist by his own claim, writes about this incident quite a bit. One of the three things he aked to be remembered for was his "Statute on Religious Freedom" in Virginia. It codified freedom of religion for everybody, including those who held no religious views.

There is no doubt that Christians had a positive influence on the founding of our country. But I'll repeat, our strength comes from freedom and respect for individual rights. The founders could have held Christian principles and expressed them in a monarchy. They didn't. They were trying to create the best government they knew how, not trying to express their religious points of view.

40 posted on 03/15/2002 12:31:34 PM PST by jimt
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