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To: 2banana
"Religion is the only solid basis of good morals." - Gouveneur Morris

Really? Wow, I had no idea. I'd better quit volunteering and start raping, robbing and pillaging. I sure wouldn't want to disappoint the old Gouverenuer.

14 posted on 03/15/2002 11:36:26 AM PST by freeeee
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To: freeeee
At least you'd finally be consistent.

I've debated many atheists/agnostics/objectivists/etc. on this forum - all of them asserting a foundation for morality without God, and all of them using religious principles as the foundation for their morality.

No doubt you're part of the same crowd, crowing about "rights", and "property" and the "rule of law", that violence is "wrong" .. and you build your system on these "axioms" that you've taken from religious systems. Without a god behind those "rules", they are merely the result of mob rule, and when the mob rules that your rape and robbery is "good", then it will be.

Morality without an authority higher than man is simply not workable.

56 posted on 03/15/2002 3:21:27 PM PST by watchin
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To: freeeee
"Religion is the only solid basis of good morals." - Gouveneur Morris

Really? Wow, I had no idea. I'd better quit volunteering and start raping, robbing and pillaging.

I guess we'll have to concede this point to you, lest you turn violent. :-) PLS don't hold it against the good ol' guv'neur, though; after all, Libertarianism hadn't been invented when he said this.

And remember, there aren't only us Conservatives and you Libertarians; there also those nasty Liberals who are after our property, and then there are those undecideds who may become servants of God and abstain from force & fraud--or may become servants of the thieving Liberals!

60 posted on 03/16/2002 10:15:06 AM PST by Smile-n-Win
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