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**Andrea Yates Sentence**Live Thread**Ruling @ 2:45 ET**
3-15-02

Posted on 03/15/2002 10:34:00 AM PST by Oldeconomybuyer

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To: let freedom sing
Not quite the monster she was, before medication.

I bet those 5 dead children would have a different opinion.
261 posted on 03/15/2002 1:32:08 PM PST by GussiedUp
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To: iconoclast
Your point was lost on me. If you're so waaaaaaaayyyyyy right, it's a good sign you'd check out early-- except, experience shows me that those who are waaaaaaaayyyyyy left check out even faster.
262 posted on 03/15/2002 1:38:05 PM PST by let freedom sing
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
Yates will continue to defend his wife in this manner. To admit otherwise would admit his culpability in fostering the climate where this all came about. When your whole family is a stage, with you the grand director, you don't get mad at the scenery or props. Instead, you just keep asking the Producer for more time, more money, a more cooperative audience or more players.
263 posted on 03/15/2002 1:38:41 PM PST by KC Burke
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To: ARCADIA, EVA
Do you remember to take yours all the time? What if you don't believe it's going to help? What if you believe it's going to cause some side-effect you don't want? /case closed

RY said AY was taken OFF-- that sounds like she got NOTHING-- not that she wouldn't take it. Relapse waiting to happen.

264 posted on 03/15/2002 1:48:24 PM PST by let freedom sing
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To: let freedom sing
The more relapses, the greater the chance that further brain damage from NOT taking it will be permanent*. (Present medical theory) Get your facts straight. The above statement does not contain facts.Further brain damage?Schizophrenia does not present as brain damage -no pathology(yet).bunch of pseudo-science.
265 posted on 03/15/2002 1:52:29 PM PST by rastus macgill
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To: rastus macgill
You, first. Where do you get your facts?
266 posted on 03/15/2002 2:18:42 PM PST by let freedom sing
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To: Justa
From comments I made on a previous thread:

This is an outrageous thought--and I really hesitate to bring it up, but I'm going to do so. Are we absolutely certain as to how Andrea's father died? She was tending him and we know that she did what she thought was best for her own children. Might she have put her father out of his misery?

Given that the jury has to decide if she'd be a danger to anybody else, I think that we need to know if she might decide that somebody else was better off dead and end their lives. We know that the death of her father apparently contributed heavily to her problems--is there any possibility that she hastened his death? Basically, she must have thought that killing her children was an act of mercy, so I'll raise the question. Are we absolutely certain that her father died without assistance?

If she did help her father into the next world--and we know that she forced her own children there--then she could be considered to be a danger to others.

Second comment (slightly edited):

I've gotta ask about future danger-quoting from an article that gives her mother credit for this: "'I'm here pleading for her life,' Kennedy said. She told jurors that her daughter was a loving mother and compassionate nurse who suffered with her patients." Article found at Andrea Yates' mother pleads with jury for daughter's life Trial's punishment phase under way By CAROL CHRISTIAN Copyright 2002 Houston Chronicle

She's described as a compassionate nurse who suffered with her patients--how much suffering did she do? Was she unsuited to be a nurse? I always thought that they needed to be objective, able to distance themselves from the situation, especially when dealing with terminally ill patients--like her father--so that good medical care could be given. Was that the case? I'm wondering if there is much more to this story than we are being told.

The more I think about this, the more it bothers me. Did she do something to 'help' her father and if so, did Rusty know about it? He is quoted as saying, "She finally did it", apparently referring to killing the kids. Did he know or suspect that she'd killed before? Or, had she said something to Rusty that would lead to his making that statement? I'm getting bad vibes about this whole thing.

I do think that she might have been dangerous to others, may still be. I also think that Rusty is more of a danger to society at this point--and that anger with him was her motivation for the murders--she was killing four birds with one stone. 1. She was getting rid of the children who were pulling her down. Yes, she may have loved them, but they were more than she could handle. 2. She was sending them to a better place, if we accept her reasoning, and setting them free of their father. 3. She was removing what was supposed to be the source of Rusty's pride--his children--from his control. She struck out in anger and fatigue, I believe. 4. She was attempting to commit suicide again--this time by legal system, though she apparently changed her mind, or her husband changed it for her. Insanity is still questionable--even the experts disagreed on that.

267 posted on 03/15/2002 2:31:48 PM PST by Marty
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To: isthisnickcool
Hey Nick, I have heard many of the same things you are saying. Quite frankly, the husband is the one who should have been taken to task for his part in all of this horror. Sometimes justice just doesn't seem to "get" it. Seems like a lot of complicity to me.

I was relieved earlier today that the jury had the sense to recognize that Andrea Yates isn't a threat to society. Sometimes the true dynamics of a situation take a while to present themselves. Of course, we know that well. I can't imagine what the search for peace must represent to Andrea Yates. Is there such a thing? For this and the many other reasons we talked about, my senses are overwhelmed!

268 posted on 03/15/2002 2:51:43 PM PST by MistyCA
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To: DJ88
I don't know for sure.. but with this being such a high-profile case and with the details of what she did being so well-known, I am sure she is already a marked woman.. another high-profile inmate (Yolanda Salazar) is also in solitary confinement because there are scores of inmates who would love to get at her for killing Selena.
269 posted on 03/15/2002 3:17:53 PM PST by TxBec
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To: stands2reason
do you think a man could even pretend to have post-partum depression?

Pretend??? What do you mean "pretend"???? I suffered from post-partum depression after the birth of my children... I mean, at least 6 whole weeks without sex... VERY depressing...

270 posted on 03/15/2002 3:36:53 PM PST by Chad Fairbanks
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To: hellinahandcart
Would you let her baby sit your children?? Bunch of liberal idiots!!!!!!
271 posted on 03/15/2002 3:46:31 PM PST by Democrats are liars
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To: let freedom sing
Probably the same place you do only I read more carefully.Your statement that schizophrenia is "brain damage"(possible,likely in some cases imho-yet unproven) and that damage is increased by a lack of medication is not supported by science.Popular accounts of the cause(s) of mental illness are littered with qualifiers such as maybe ,researchers increasingly believe...,possibly... and the like.As you made this statement and others please cite any medical/scientific articles (neurology or pathology) that support this as fact I would be greatly interested.
272 posted on 03/15/2002 3:59:18 PM PST by rastus macgill
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
According to this jury-it's ok to murder family members, then you are not a threat to "society" and don't deserve the death penalty. What about a FR pool-how long before the "Father of the Year" knocks her up again?? He works for NASA, but said in his press conference today, that he didn't know what psychosis meant ??? I also learned today, that the murders happened just one hour after he left for work-don't tell me she suddenly snapped-wonder if they didn't have a fight and she struck back at him??!!
273 posted on 03/15/2002 4:14:42 PM PST by Wild Irish Rogue
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To: ARCADIA
I've got an idea. You want her to stay alive, you bid for the obligation to provide her with food, shelter and medicine for the rest of her life.
274 posted on 03/15/2002 5:02:19 PM PST by SteamshipTime
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To: rastus macgill
you can start here like I did
275 posted on 03/15/2002 5:54:54 PM PST by let freedom sing
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To: rastus macgill
besides-- you twisted my original statement. Go back and look.
276 posted on 03/15/2002 6:07:13 PM PST by let freedom sing
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To: Marty
Gimme a break, Marty. It's a fact that the death of her father sent her spiralling into a deeper depression.

This woman was psychotic before, on and after that terrible day - all the psychiatrists testified thus, and it's being reiterated on Fox now. She was willing to break the "earthly" law to save her children's souls, and take the punishment. Not exactly rational thinking. It was a "loving" act in her irrational mind.

May God judge you all as "mercifully" as you have judged Andrea.

I'm sickened by the cruelty displayed on this thread toward an obviously very sick woman. I think everyone should be sentenced to a week of extreme depression and mental illness so that they may have at least some right to judge someone like this.

Andrea is NO SUSAN SMITH.

And I am in basic agreement with the verdict, btw, although I think the laws need to be revised for cases involving mental illness. I think she belongs in a mental institution, not a prison. Nevertheless, justice will be served, and God and her children have already forgiven her. I pray she can forgive herself.

277 posted on 03/15/2002 6:20:23 PM PST by oremus
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To: GussiedUp
That is not what happened at all. I never saw her look anywhere but front and center, until her lawyer spoke to her. He said that she did NOT understand the verdict - she was not sure what it meant, and he had to explain it to her.

It has also been stated over and over that she is much improved from where she was back in June, due to being properly medicated. Even so, they say her emotions are almost completely dulled due to the drugs.

278 posted on 03/15/2002 6:23:23 PM PST by oremus
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To: Chad Fairbanks
How selfish.
279 posted on 03/15/2002 6:26:41 PM PST by oremus
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To: oremus
get a grip... I figured it would be obvious, based on the info we have read, that I was taking a crack at Andrea Yate's husband... but I guess it wasn't obvious enough...
280 posted on 03/15/2002 6:30:38 PM PST by Chad Fairbanks
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