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To: bvw
You are mixing definitions: classical liberalism (such as held by the Whig Party in England and the colonies at the times up through the Amercian Revolution), and modern PC liberalism.

I am speaking of liberalism.. radical individualism. As espoused by great men such as Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Paine, Martin Luther King jr., Ralph Nader et al. Modern liberalism is the application of classical liberal principles to modern issues.

In the definition of the times, Schumer is a liberal.

No, he is a big government statist.

In the classical sense, as you point out, he is not -- he is a modern "Royalist" -- he supports the state, at the expense of individual liberties.

Yup.

90 posted on 03/18/2002 11:31:18 AM PST by Ubonic
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To: Ubonic
Since you sound like you have a lot of time on your hands playing word games about the word "liberal", let me fill you in with a little secret that it seems like everyone on FR knows except you:
The individuals in Washington who like to call themselves "liberals" are led by Schumer, Feinstein, Boxer and Kennedy. They all get an F rating by the NRA, GOA, SAF, JPFO, SAS, RKBA and the state rifle associations. If there was a lower grade, they would receive it.
91 posted on 03/18/2002 11:57:51 AM PST by Shooter 2.5
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To: Ubonic
Since you sound like you have a lot of time on your hands playing word games about the word "liberal", let me fill you in with a little secret that it seems like everyone on FR knows except you:
The individuals in Washington who like to call themselves "liberals" are led by Schumer, Feinstein, Boxer and Kennedy. They all get an F rating by the NRA, GOA, SAF, JPFO, SAS, RKBA and the state rifle associations. If there was a lower grade, they would receive it.
92 posted on 03/18/2002 11:59:01 AM PST by Shooter 2.5
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