HRES 365 EH In the House of Representatives, U.S

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[Magnum44]

Sec. 401. Study of the feasibility of a North American National Security Program. =Open Borders

If you read the rest of 401 you would see that this not not translate to open borders. What it does is push the pre-travel inspection/security process out to include foriegn travel to Mexico and Canada. This makes all the sense in the world to me since we can not possibly completely seal off our north and south borders, even if that were the policy.

[Magnum44]

not not = does not

[jgrubbs]

ACTION ITEM: Section 245(i) encourages illegal immigration; it sends the message that it is OK to break the law as long the alien can pay $1,000 to the INS. The vote on this is scheduled for NEXT WEEK. Please contact your Senators right away and urge them to oppose any extension of Section 245(i) either as a freestanding bill or by any other means tried to pass the loophole. CLICK BELOW: http://www.conservativehq.com/031502.htm

[jgrubbs]

My Rep. voted against this bill, I contacted my Senators, but I doubt they care what I have to say.

FINAL VOTE RESULTS FOR ROLL CALL 53(Republicans in roman; Democrats in italic; Independents underlined)
      H RES 365     2/3 YEA-AND-NAY     12-MAR-2002   6:58 PM
      QUESTION: On Motion to Suspend the Rules and Agree
      BILL TITLE: Providing for the concurrence by the House with amendments in the amendment of the Senate to H.R. 1885.

	YEAS	NAYS	PRES	NV
REPUBLICAN	92	123		6
DEMOCRATIC	182	13		16
INDEPENDENT	1	1
TOTALS	275	137		22

--- YEAS    275 ---

Abercrombie	Hall (OH)	Olver
Ackerman	Harman	Osborne
Allen	Hart	Ose
Andrews	Hastings (FL)	Otter
Armey	Hastings (WA)	Owens
Baca	Hill	Oxley
Baird	Hinchey	Pallone
Baldacci	Hobson	Pascrell
Baldwin	Hoeffel	Pastor
Becerra	Holden	Paul
Berkley	Holt	Payne
Berman	Honda	Pelosi
Berry	Hooley	Petri
Biggert	Houghton	Phelps
Bishop	Hoyer	Pomeroy
Blumenauer	Hyde	Portman
Boehlert	Inslee	Price (NC)
Boehner	Israel	Pryce (OH)
Bonilla	Issa	Quinn
Bonior	Jackson (IL)	Radanovich
Bono	Jefferson	Rahall
Borski	John	Rangel
Boswell	Johnson (CT)	Regula
Boucher	Johnson (IL)	Reyes
Brady (PA)	Johnson, E. B.	Reynolds
Brown (FL)	Jones (OH)	Rivers
Brown (OH)	Kanjorski	Rodriguez
Buyer	Kelly	Roemer
Calvert	Kennedy (MN)	Rogers (KY)
Cannon	Kennedy (RI)	Ros-Lehtinen
Capps	Kildee	Ross
Capuano	Kilpatrick	Rothman
Cardin	Kind (WI)	Roybal-Allard
Carson (OK)	King (NY)	Rush
Castle	Kirk	Ryan (WI)
Chabot	Kleczka	Sabo
Clay	Knollenberg	Sanchez
Clayton	Kolbe	Sanders
Clyburn	Kucinich	Sandlin
Condit	LaFalce	Sawyer
Conyers	Lampson	Schakowsky
Costello	Langevin	Schiff
Cox	Lantos	Scott
Coyne	Larsen (WA)	Sensenbrenner
Cramer	Larson (CT)	Serrano
Crowley	Latham	Shaw
Cummings	LaTourette	Shays
Cunningham	Leach	Sherman
Davis (CA)	Lee	Simmons
Davis (FL)	Levin	Simpson
Davis, Tom	Lewis (CA)	Skeen
DeFazio	Lewis (GA)	Skelton
DeGette	Lofgren	Slaughter
Delahunt	Lucas (KY)	Smith (NJ)
DeLauro	Luther	Smith (TX)
DeLay	Lynch	Smith (WA)
Deutsch	Maloney (CT)	Snyder
Diaz-Balart	Maloney (NY)	Solis
Dicks	Markey	Souder
Dingell	Mascara	Spratt
Doggett	Matheson	Stark
Dooley	Matsui	Stenholm
Doyle	McCarthy (MO)	Strickland
Dreier	McCarthy (NY)	Sununu
Dunn	McCollum	Tanner
Edwards	McDermott	Tauscher
Ehlers	McGovern	Tauzin
Ehrlich	McHugh	Terry
Engel	McIntyre	Thomas
English	McKeon	Thompson (CA)
Etheridge	McKinney	Thornberry
Evans	McNulty	Tiahrt
Farr	Meehan	Tiberi
Fattah	Meek (FL)	Tierney
Filner	Meeks (NY)	Towns
Fletcher	Menendez	Turner
Foley	Millender-McDonald	Udall (CO)
Ford	Miller, George	Udall (NM)
Fossella	Mink	Velazquez
Frank	Mollohan	Walsh
Frost	Moore	Waters
Gephardt	Moran (VA)	Watkins (OK)
Gibbons	Morella	Watson (CA)
Gilchrest	Murtha	Watt (NC)
Gillmor	Nadler	Watts (OK)
Gilman	Napolitano	Waxman
Gonzalez	Nethercutt	Weller
Goss	Ney	Wilson (NM)
Green (TX)	Northup	Woolsey
Green (WI)	Nussle	Wu
Grucci	Oberstar	Wynn
Gutierrez	Obey

--- NAYS    137 ---

Aderholt	Goodlatte	Pitts
Akin	Gordon	Platts
Bachus	Graham	Pombo
Baker	Granger	Putnam
Ballenger	Graves	Ramstad
Barcia	Greenwood	Rehberg
Barr	Gutknecht	Riley
Bartlett	Hall (TX)	Rogers (MI)
Bass	Hansen	Rohrabacher
Bereuter	Hayes	Roukema
Bilirakis	Hayworth	Royce
Blunt	Hefley	Ryun (KS)
Boozman	Herger	Saxton
Boyd	Hilliard	Schaffer
Brady (TX)	Hoekstra	Schrock
Brown (SC)	Horn	Sessions
Bryant	Hostettler	Shadegg
Burr	Hulshof	Sherwood
Callahan	Hunter	Shimkus
Camp	Isakson	Shows
Cantor	Istook	Shuster
Capito	Jenkins	Smith (MI)
Chambliss	Jones (NC)	Stearns
Clement	Kaptur	Stump
Coble	Keller	Stupak
Collins	Kerns	Sullivan
Combest	Kingston	Tancredo
Cooksey	LaHood	Taylor (MS)
Crane	Lewis (KY)	Taylor (NC)
Crenshaw	Linder	Thune
Cubin	LoBiondo	Thurman
Culberson	Lucas (OK)	Toomey
Davis, Jo Ann	Manzullo	Upton
Deal	McCrery	Visclosky
DeMint	McInnis	Vitter
Duncan	Mica	Walden
Emerson	Miller, Dan	Wamp
Everett	Miller, Gary	Weldon (FL)
Ferguson	Miller, Jeff	Weldon (PA)
Flake	Moran (KS)	Whitfield
Forbes	Myrick	Wicker
Frelinghuysen	Norwood	Wilson (SC)
Gallegly	Pence	Wolf
Ganske	Peterson (MN)	Young (AK)
Gekas	Peterson (PA)	Young (FL)
Goode	Pickering

--- NOT VOTING    22 ---

Barrett	Eshoo	Ortiz
Barton	Hilleary	Sweeney
Bentsen	Hinojosa	Thompson (MS)
Blagojevich	Jackson-Lee (TX)	Traficant
Burton	Johnson, Sam	Weiner
Carson (IN)	Lipinski	Wexler
Davis (IL)	Lowey
Doolittle	Neal

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[itsahoot]

What it does is push the pre-travel inspection/security process out to include foriegn travel to Mexico and Canada. This makes all the sense in the world to me since we can not possibly completely seal off our north and south borders, even if that were the policy.

This brings to mind an old song made popular in the movie
Might Joe Young staring Faye Raye "Beautiful Dreamer....

[Magnum44]

Its called layered defense. And other than quote gibberish songs, you haven't told me whats wrong with a study of this.

[SUSSA]

245(i) is an amnisty law that gave criminals three years to become legal. This bill extends the amnesty period.

It is a backdoor way to grant amnesty without calling it amnesty. It allows the administration to say there is no NEW amnesty, but still let the criminals have more time.

The only people who are shocked by this, are the ones who didn't parse the earlier statements about amnesty properly. They still haven't learned that you have to parse every word of every statement and try to figure out how many ways it can b interpurated. It is the only way to know what the administration is saying.

[SUSSA]

(be interpreted.) My Bad

[janetgreen]

Please contact your Senators right away and urge them to oppose any extension of Section 245(i) either as a freestanding bill or by any other means tried to pass the loophole.

DONE!

[itsahoot]

you haven't told me whats wrong with a study of this.

If in 10 years illegal immigration has abated except by
means of legalization or amnesty, I will kiss your posterior
in a public place of your choosing.

We have been through this same dance before, I was implying
that it is wishful thinking to believe that this legislation
will make one bit of difference. It is already against the law
to be an illegal immigrant. And as you probably have observed
that hasn't meant didley squat. Neither will this law.

[unamused]

The Attorney General may accept such application only if the alien remits with such application a sum equalling $1,000 as of the date of receipt of the application, but such sum shall not be required from a child under the age of seventeen, or an alien who is the spouse or unmarried child of an individual who obtained temporary or permanent resident status under section 1160 or 1255a of this title or section 202 of the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 at any date, who -

OK, it costs a thousand bucks to get started ('bout a hundred 1 gram vials of coke...)

(ii) entered the United States before May 5, 1988, resided in the United States on May 5, 1988, and is not a lawful permanent resident; and...

And as long as you didn't enter the country more than 14 years ago......

It's Party Time Already....

Play kill the cracker....

[Magnum44]

Your post 11 equated a feasability study with open borders. Now you change your argument to one about illegal aliens and amnesty. Place stay focused or debate with someone else.

I responded to the issue of the feasability study and pointed out that it was a step toward widening the security net where we attempt to detect infiltration into the US via the North American continent by terrorist or known enemies of the US.

I also have stated on numerous occasions that I do not believe in amnesty as a policy, but that I reserve judgement of GWB and others until the end of the game, or when it is obvious what the big picture strategy is. Believe it or not there are conservative arguments for, as well as against, a limited amnesty. When you understand that either way it comes down, there are costs and benefits, then suddenly if the issue goes against your preferences, at least you know there is an up side. The current admin is smart and is playing high stakes poker to bring this country back to center right despite the Dasholes and Gephards out there trying to obstruct at any price. They will have to play hardall sometimes and the will have to play politics other times.

So far, while I haven't seen all the good legislation come through signed that I would prefer (thanks in large part to an obstructionist Senate), I also note that I have not seen bad legislature come through. While it all gets talked about and peoples blood pressure gets all worked up over things, CFR, Amnesty, and such mostly wind up stuck in committee and die. The education bill may be a mild exception to the rule.