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Details unfold in FBI mix-up
The Baltimore Sun ^ | March 13, 2002 | Gail Gibson

Posted on 03/13/2002 4:43:25 PM PST by Lloyd227

Edited on 09/03/2002 4:50:06 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

FBI agents involved in the mistaken traffic stop and shooting of an unarmed Pasadena man March 1 had a photograph of the actual bank robbery suspect they sought and earlier that day had discovered that an air pistol, not a handgun, apparently was used in the holdup, court records show.

Those details, contained in an FBI affidavit in the bank robbery case, could play a central role in the investigations into the shooting of Joseph C. Schultz, as authorities examine how much federal agents knew about the real suspect they were tracking and how dangerous they thought he was.


(Excerpt) Read more at baltimoresun.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Maryland
KEYWORDS: donutwatch; fbi; homelanddefense; lawenforcement; swat
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To: Donald Stone
FBI better change Bragas name and post him to headquarters counting paper clips. Maybe they could give him Hanssens office????? What an incompetent group.
21 posted on 03/13/2002 6:25:04 PM PST by cynicom
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To: Fred Mertz
Actually, Fred, I think that whether the perp is white, black, indonesian, or neandrethal, he doesn't look a THING like the victim. I'll bet the differences are stark and easily discernable, indicating GROSS negligence of the fbi in this action...
22 posted on 03/13/2002 6:33:27 PM PST by Thommas
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To: Lloyd227
"people with other ideas are watching" You mean the ones who are supposed to be protecting us but are not?
23 posted on 03/13/2002 6:48:29 PM PST by OKCSubmariner
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To: OKCSubmariner
"...You mean the ones who are supposed to be..."

but of course, who else would cause free citizens to feel cautious about speaking freely? /sarcasm

24 posted on 03/13/2002 6:58:44 PM PST by Lloyd227
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To: Lloyd227
Unfrigginbelievable.

This story just gets worse and worse.

The agent involved here needs a lengthy prison stay and a monstrously large civil penalty levied against him here.

Having said that, I'm sure the FBI will promote him. They have a history of doing that in these cases.

L

25 posted on 03/13/2002 7:05:57 PM PST by Lurker
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To: Fred Mertz
Couldn't find a pic of junior, but his pop may have died in Vietnam.

BLOTTENBERGER MICHAEL J, PFC ARMY, BALTIMORE, MD. , 01MAR70 S.VIETNAM 27JUL49, HOSTILE,KILLED

26 posted on 03/13/2002 7:19:12 PM PST by csvset
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To: Thommas
"Actually, Fred, I think that whether the perp is white, black, indonesian, or neandrethal, he doesn't look a THING like the victim. I'll bet the differences are stark and easily discernable, indicating GROSS negligence of the fbi in this action..."

I wouldn't be surprised if Braga knew right away this wasn't the guy they were after, but still couldn't put down the tough guy attitude. He was pumped, primed, and ready for action. Wasn't about to let the facts get in the way of having some fun pushing people around.

27 posted on 03/13/2002 7:22:46 PM PST by Bob Mc
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To: Lloyd227
All on this thread.

Dunno if someone else has caught this yet. If so, sorry -- if not, here it is. Michael J. Blottenberger, Jr. is from Maryland and is 32 years old.

A Michael J. Blottenberger, make that PFC Michael J. Blottenberger, died in 1970 in Vietnam.

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F

28 posted on 03/13/2002 7:29:04 PM PST by Criminal Number 18F
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To: csvset
Sheesh... beat me... and by ten full minutes!

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F

29 posted on 03/13/2002 7:30:26 PM PST by Criminal Number 18F
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To: Lloyd227
A day will come when these Ashcroft's thugs (just as they were Reno's) will overstep the bounds, and agents like Chris Braga will die.

One day enough will be enough, and the armed federal goons that run our society will be put down and a Constitutional government restored. And I guarantee it isn't going to come about with letters to Congressmen. It's going to come about with the muzzle of a rifle and shotgun.

30 posted on 03/13/2002 7:32:31 PM PST by fogarty
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To: AAABEST
Another suggesstion: Teach your family to make accurate, quick head shots.
31 posted on 03/13/2002 7:33:20 PM PST by fogarty
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To: Criminal Number 18F
From the Vietnam Memorial database:

MICHAEL J BLOTTENBERGER
Panel : 13W Line 070
Army
Private First Class Pay grade E3
Killed in action March 1, 1970 by small arms fire
ground casualty gun, hostile, died in Binh Dinh South Vietnam.

The body was recovered.

Home of record was BALTIMORE, MD.

Born July 27, 1949 age at death 20.
A Caucasian Male, Married. Religous affiliation Methodist.
CAACF Record Number : 214561569

I sure don't think that Mike Blottenberger would like it if he knew his son grew up to be a criminal, or that the FBI used him as an excuse to shoot somebody else. There's just one tragedy after another ....

Now to see who was fighting in Binh Dinh in March '70.

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F

32 posted on 03/13/2002 7:35:54 PM PST by Criminal Number 18F
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To: Criminal Number 18F
On March 1, 1970, elements of the 173rd Airborne Brigade and attached elements of the 101st Airborne Division (specifically 3/506) were finishing up a fight with lots and lots of NVA in the Mang Yang Pass neighbourhood. By this time most of the contacts were tapering off, and the casualty database says that this Blottenberger was the only man killed in Binh Dinh that day (well, the only American).

Now, we have no proof that he is the father of this bank robber. But the numbers align nicely and it is an unusual name.

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F

34 posted on 03/13/2002 7:55:12 PM PST by Criminal Number 18F
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To: OKCSubmariner
You get the biscuit!
35 posted on 03/13/2002 7:55:46 PM PST by Righty1
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To: blackdog
>I might say however, that experience I had with field agents showed me that they do have some good guys out there.

Have you ever read these "Let's hate the cop threads" carefully?

It's one thing to be upset with a specific incident. But many of the people who hang out in these constant threads, day after day, (the activists) have strange brain problems. They're not upset with specific incidents. They're upset with the entire concept of law enforcement.

Nothing good can come from assoicating yourself with these people.

These libertarian nuts are no different from the liberal bleeding heart nuts who say that all guns and all gun owners are bad because there are a tiny minority of scum bags and reckless idiots and outright criminals who own/use guns.

If I were going to be a psychologist, I'd say, in fact, that the brain damage is the same, just manifesting itself in opposite ways:

But these sad, sick people -- the liberals and the libertarians -- have no more in common with "normal" and "healthy" people do that, say, anorexcic/bulemic or obese people do. Some people just have brain problems. They react to normal human life by flipping off to psycho extremes. We should have pity on them, and we should be available to help them get themselves back to good health if they choose to try. But we should NOT indulge them and make them think that their sickness is "normal" or even acceptable.

I'm done with these let's hate the cop threads. Nothing good can come from being here. You sad, sick, psycho, libertarian losers (I don't mean you, blackdog, I mean the activists) need to help yourselves before you mingle with decent, normal, thinking people.

Mark W.

36 posted on 03/14/2002 6:34:29 AM PST by MarkWar
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To: MarkWar
Why aren't they releasing a picture (the mug shot) of the real bank robber?
37 posted on 03/14/2002 6:38:35 AM PST by Fred Mertz
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To: nunya bidness
Thanks for the flag. I'm out of state so I can't catch Ron Smith.

If you have a decent Internet connection you can catch him on WBAL radio on the internet.

38 posted on 03/14/2002 6:42:54 AM PST by Cool_V
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To: Fred Mertz
I thought we were led to believe it was a same day bank robbery mistaken identity incident. I've gone over this article twice.

That was my impression also, but going back and re-reading some of the early articles it appears that the FBI are claiming they were trying serve a warrant on Blottenberger Jr.

Blottenberger robbed the bank on Feb. 20 2002

Shooting took place Friday evening March 1, 2002

Excerpts from Baltimore Sun

Originally published March 2, 2002

FBI agents searching for an armed bank robber pulled over the wrong car last night on Fort Smallwood Road in Pasadena and shot a man in the face who had no connection to the crime, authorities said.

Several FBI agents were working with Anne Arundel police Friday to serve an arrest warrant on a man suspected robbing a bank. He is believed to be armed and dangerous, Gulotta said.

Excerpts from Baltimore Sun

Published March 5, 2002

Michael J. Blottenberger Jr., 32, of the 1600 block of Locust St. in Baltimore, was charged with bank robbery and made an initial appearance yesterday before a federal magistrate.

Schultz and Harkum, both of Pasadena, were returning home in her red Pontiac Grand Am after a shopping trip about 6 p.m. Friday when FBI agents in plain clothes and an unmarked car pulled the couple over on Fort Smallwood Road in Pasadena.

The agents were looking for Blottenberger, who was wanted in connection with the Feb. 20 robbery of an Allfirst Bank branch and who was believed to be driving in a red sedan Friday.

During an initial appearance yesterday before U.S. Magistrate Judge James K. Bredar, Blottenberger had short-cropped, light brown hair and wore wire-rimmed eyeglasses. He had a large tattoo on the back of his neck.

39 posted on 03/14/2002 1:53:40 PM PST by Donald Stone
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To: Donald Stone
Thanks alot, Donald. This news is slowly dripping away, just like the feds want it to.
40 posted on 03/14/2002 5:28:56 PM PST by Fred Mertz
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