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To: hchutch
Thank you so much for taking the time to post this.

I note also that apparently, if you read through this, the original bill for immigration security was held up by our favorite majority leader in the Senate.

Now I ask you, how could he in good conscience hold up the immigration and border security bill, IN TIME OF WAR?

Apparently President Bush wanted this, and tagged it onto another version of the immigration reform bill so that Daschle will be forced to pass it.

So it looks to me like some pretty smart legislating.

And I am glad to see that my suspicion about this is correct. It is not a blanket amnesty as has been shouted about for weeks.

Thanks again.

12 posted on 03/12/2002 5:49:51 PM PST by Miss Marple
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To: Dane
I thought you would like to see this excellent post which explains what was passed this evening.

There's a whole lot of hysteria over a 4-month window. Gee, perhaps people are not informed! OR, perhaps they don't WANT to be informed!

13 posted on 03/12/2002 5:51:50 PM PST by Miss Marple
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To: Miss Marple
Although the bill grants limited amnesty to the immigrants, I doubt it provides relief for those entities that may have hired them. Don't be surprised to find massive fines for hiring illegals as a result of this legislation. BTW, had a house bricked lately? Chances are the crew was Mexican and didn't speak a work of English. Here legally? Probably not. And they are everywhere. Best darn bricklayers you will find. You would play heck trying to round them up. Give them a window to become citizens, get a SS# and pay taxes on what they earn. Lots of positives can come of this with limited downsides.
16 posted on 03/12/2002 5:59:13 PM PST by gov_bean_ counter
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To: Miss Marple
How many illegal aliens from terrorist states now qualify for amnesty???
17 posted on 03/12/2002 6:00:21 PM PST by sarcasm
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To: Miss Marple; Healey22; Dutchy; Arleigh; Starfan
It may not be blanket amnesty, but why didnt we enforce the existing laws first!! This is going to be revealed later whether it is blanket or not, all we need is a swipe of the pen to extend that portion of this bill. I still say this section is awful, and we should be throwing these people OUT, not allowing them to stay AFTER BREAKING OUR LAWS for as long as we have let them do!!
88 posted on 03/13/2002 2:27:48 AM PST by RaceBannon
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To: Miss Marple
INS APPREHENSION INFORMATION

Date Range: 01/01/2002 To 3/10/2002 EST
(last updated 03/11/2002)

The table below represents all the recorded INS apprehensions for the above time period. At the bottom of the table is a glossary to help you better understand what you are looking at. Once we are done looking at the table, I will present some facts about what these number represent. These facts may shock you. This table will be updated approximately every two weeks.

IDENT Totals District Totals Sector Totals
Encounters 263,493 43,330 (16.4%) 220,163 (83.6%)
LO Hits 4,114 1,779 (43.2%) 2,335 (56.8%)
RC Hits 103,675 11,274 (10.9%) 92,401 (89.1%)

DISTRICT or SECTOR ENCOUNTERS LO HITS RC HITS
Anchorage District 34 0 8
Asylum 1 0 0
Atlanta District 683 6 28
Baltimore District 59 4 5
Blaine Sector 280 8 88
Boston District 167 6 11
Buffalo District 1,031 18 94
Buffalo Sector 134 1 16
Chicago District 826 12 60
Cleveland District 171 1 45
Dallas District 498 8 84
Del Rio Sector 22,880 107 8,891
Denver District 1,872 79 720
Detroit District 101 0 6
Detroit Sector 241 5 83
El Centro Sector 24,727 327 11,962
El Paso District 2,552 56 711
El Paso Sector 20,262 169 8,209
Grand Forks Sector 153 1 50
Harlingen District 3,007 62 699
Havre Sector 244 5 82
Headquarters 92 0 4
Helena District 88 4 14
Honolulu District 237 4 27
Houlton District 46 0 3
Houston District 1,329 41 325
Kansas City District 760 23 227
Laredo Sector 22,734 121 7,454
Livermore Sector 598 30 223
Los Angeles District 1,288 48 167
Marfa Sector 2,222 25 743
McAllen Sector 19,443 162 8,655
Miami District 2,319 30 198
Miami Sector 619 9 101
New Orleans District 208 10 41
New Orleans Sector 905 5 370
New York District 1,136 8 38
Newark District 500 6 16
Omaha District 515 14 159
Philadelphia District 300 16 49
Phoenix District 4,273 221 1,614
Portland ME District 69 1 9
Portland OR District 320 42 119
Ramey Sector 126 3 14
San Antonio District 3,652 86 1,016
San Diego District 11,893 623 3,866
San Diego Sector 21,752 668 9,299
San Francisco District 1,808 262 510
San Juan District 232 0 4
Seattle District 876 69 270
Spokane Sector 215 10 80
St. Paul District 351 17 124
Swanton Sector 117 1 18
Tucson Sector 72,873 523 30,883
Washington District 175 2 10
Yuma Sector 9,592 155 5,177
TOTALS 263,586 4,114 103,679

Table Glossary:

Encounters (also know as "Enrollments"): The total number of encounters (recorded apprehensions) into the system.

LO Hits: (Lookout Hits) The number of apprehensions involving people who have criminal records in the Lookout Database.

RC Hits: (Recidivist Hits) The number of apprehensions involving people who previously had been apprehended and having at least one record in the recidivist database.

District: The INS District is composed of the land Ports of Entry (Inspections), Airports (Inspections), and the District office (Detention, Deportation & Investigations) within that District.

Sector: The Border Patrol Sector is composed of the Border Patrol Stations and Check Points within that Sector.

Lets do some math.

From 01/01/2002 through 03/10/2002 the INS reported apprehending 263,586 illegal aliens in the US.
Now some of these apprehensions are what we call recidivist apprehensions, so well will subtract the RC HITS from the ENCOUNTERS.

263,586 - 103,679 = 159,907.

So, between 01/01/2002 and 03/10/2002 the INS apprehended approximately 159,907 illegal aliens either attempting to enter the US, or already in the US.

Now the fun numbers.

The Border Patrol estimates that for every illegal they apprehend, 4 slip by. Independent Immigration experts estimate that closer to 9 slip by, for every 1 alien apprehended. For this presentation, I will also use a 1 to 2 ratio.

So, if the INS apprehended 159,907 illegal aliens, the number of aliens that made it through undetected would be as follows:

1 to 2 = 319,814
1 to 4 = 639,628
1 to 9 = 1,439,163

This means, that anywhere from 319,814 to 1,439,163 illegal aliens entered the United States undetected since January 1st, 2002. .

Now for some more disturbing figures.

US and Allied troops that invaded Normandy in 1944 = 250,000 + US troops that invaded Okinawa in 1945 = 550,000+ Illegal aliens that have invaded the US in 2002 = between 319,814 and 1,439,163.

Now imagine that just 1/10 of 1% of those illegals are from Middle Eastern Countries.

We now have between 319 and 1,439 possible terrorist undetected inside

I took this from Marine Inspector's Profile page.

http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/profile?h=marine+inspector

91 posted on 03/13/2002 2:54:00 AM PST by B4Ranch
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To: Miss Marple; Dane
It is not a blanket amnesty as has been shouted about for weeks.

The only ones talking about "blanket amnesty" are you and Dane, in your straw man arguments against those not happy with illegal immigration. This is what you call serious debate?

Any amnesty for illegals is treacherous.




120 posted on 03/13/2002 5:41:53 AM PST by Sabertooth
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