PRELIMINARY HEARING - Partial Transcripts (On the Fly!!)
Came in - the hearing was underway[12:28] there are three witnesses coming in
[12:28] hmmmm sounds like prosecution wants a delay
[12:28] prosectution wants delay? I thought it was Feldman
[12:28] 1600 pages of a discovery - the prosecutors want more time
[12:29] the defense is saying let's go
[12:29] then lets go!!
[12:30] they aren't saying anything right now
[12:30] mics need to be set up better
[12:30] im watching it on the web
[12:31] http://www.msnbc.com/m/lv/default.asp
[12:31] robbery cop on
[12:32] james collins
[12:32] lt with SDPD
[12:33] called to respond to D house
[12:33] as robbery lieutenant
[12:34] he got there shortly after 10
[12:34] Collins robbery division in charge of all crimes of robbery
and kidnapping
[12:34] first searched dumpsters in area
[12:35] searched house to house in neighborhood
[12:35] search and rescue in at 7 pm
[12:36] call came in to cops at 10 a.m.
[12:36] checked at border
[12:37] searched at Silver Strand for witnesses
[12:37] hearsay - Feldman
[12:38] got more than 900 tips
[12:38] on the 27th, they were at Dehesa
[12:38] he was still in charge of search efforts
[12:39] at 2:34 he was paged by Susan Wintersteen
[12:39] Westerfield in dark suit , white shirt, tie
[12:39] said center had heard from search teams - body was found
[12:39] cop was at police headquarters
[12:39] he grabbed a few cops and went to Dehesa site
[12:39] Muren - a cop
[12:40] describing where the tree is
[12:40] the roads
[12:40] past golf course
[12:40] commercial
[12:40] someone take over
[12:40] you are ahead of what im seeing jameson
[12:41] courttv went to commercial for crying out loud
[12:41] there is a quarry near ther - there were people when he got there
[12:42] He told the detectives to talk to everyone there
[12:42] body described as parially burned -
[12:42] searcher saw the choker
[12:42] id'ing dvd missing flyer - confirms
[12:42] did not disturb body
[12:43] Collins went in and agreed it was her
[12:43] went to the scene - around the oak tree
[12:43] told him to watch footing, not to disturb evidence
[12:43] these people neet to speak up!
[12:43] went to north side of oak tree - showed him where the body was
[12:44] careful to preserve scene
[12:44] lying on back, head facing south, face east, lower torso advanced decomp,
faial tissue mostly gone
[12:44] animals had gotten to the body
[12:44] white person, no clothing
[12:44] no clothing on her
[12:44] he was 10 feet away
[12:44] parts missing
[12:44] didnt want to get closer
[12:44] one of her feet was gone
[12:44] one of her feet missing
[12:45] he saw her choker
[12:45] jewelry - plastic brown choker around neck, as in the missing flyer
[12:45] confirms it
[12:45] no clothing
[12:45] saw earring in left ear
[[12:45] he saw her left earring
[12:45] flat
[12:45] round earring
[12:45] mickey mouse
[12:45] was not able to see other ear - face was truned
[12:45] he thought it was the one she had been wearing - he couldn't see her
other ear - head turned to right
[12:46] animals had gotten to her
[12:46] no sign of burning
[12:46] no burning at all -
[12:46] tree had no signs of burning
[12:46] drag marks in the leaves
[12:46] "drag mark" under the tree
[12:46] she had been dragged into - from the north
[12:47] he left after just a few minutes
[12:47] lewis and newman notified
[12:47] to conduct scene inevstigation
[12:47] he called in - wanted to process scene -
[12:48] said he felt the body decomposed in the position it was
[12:48] there was some question as to whose jurisdiction it was in
[12:48] he would be in charge if it was Danielle
[12:49] Feldman is somber - listening intently (Correction - I meant DW)
[12:49] what was the objection?
[12:49] more evidence techs requested
[12:49] dw looks very bad - drawn, tired, bags under the eyes
[12:49] regarding hearsay
[12:50] Feldman is on a computer - - wonder if he is getting live feed from the
court reporter
[12:50] objection - no foundation for question
[12:50] hearsay cindy
[12:50] They are going to set up a podium
[12:50] no one can hear
[12:51] searching for the podium
[12:51] commercial again
[12:52] 3 reports
[12:52] reviewed the reports to see accurate, details significant
[12:52] talks VERY fast, feldman
[12:52] objection, irrevlevant, denied
[12:53] feldman is very fast
[12:53] asks if he reviewed the reports prior to coming to court - no
[12:53] did you review anything? - yes, some reports prepared by officers
and detectives
[12:53] interviews of witnesses
[12:53] he reviewed reports by patrol officers
[12:53] bvd, dvd, hamburg, easton, kimmel, one more i didnt catch
[12:54] asks for all documents that he used to be given
[12:54] morgan
[12:54] Audry Easton
[12:54] feldman is requesting those documents
[12:54] Denise Kimmel
[12:54] Chris Morgan, Kristen Heinberg, Margaret Easton, Denise Kimmel
[12:54] chris morgan kirston hamberg, barbara easton, denise himmel
[12:54] and the Van Dams
[12:54] judge says yes, he must habnd them over...
[12:55] at any time a witness refers to docs for recollection, he must produce
....says he never received anything
[12:55] feldman wants these docs
[12:55] asking pros if there is a problem? - no
[12:55] discussion the nneed to produce these docs to feldman
[12:55] Feldman hasn't seen any of the reports from Hollis
[12:56] Apparently Feldman feels he should have had those reports before now
[12:56] 10:30 that NIGHT this cop was called in
[12:56] it took that long!
[12:56] Holy cow!
[12:57] yes I know..
[12:57] Collins first heard of the kidnapping at about 5 pm - - got the call
5 hours later
[12:57] call out at 10:30 pm
[12:57] what took so LONG?
[12:57] he was involved in 1 search of vd home
[12:57] involved in one search Feb 3 of VD house
[12:57] to make sure Danielle was not in the house
[12:57] not looking for blood or anything
[12:57] he searched the house looking for Danielle?
[12:58] referred to banister, and blood on it
[12:58] Feldman just dropped in that there were spots of blood onthe stairs
[12:58] Feldman is being asked to calm down
[12:58] Feldman has his adrenaline up
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[12:58] blood on stairs in vd home or dw home?
[12:58] vd
[12:58] Feldman wants to know who was responsible for the forensic investigation
[12:59] he went in at 3 am
[12:59] forensic team was finished
[12:59] but he was searching for a body
[12:59] Feldman is good - - details, details
[12:59] he checked areas the forensic team didn't check
[12:59] looking for Danielle
[13:00] (that doesn't make sense, folks--LP)
[13:00] but he wasn't taking forensic evidence or looking for it
[13:00] 3 am on the 2nd he was looking for the body in the house - (Correctin -
-this would have been the 3rd!)
[13:00] worked with FBI
[13:00] on the case
[13:00] I want to know where he was looking
[13:00] Child abuse unit was there
[13:00] rumors of child abuse
[13:00] Lieutenant with robbery
[13:01] Feldman is pointing out that B&D were necessary suspects
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[13:01] did anyone inspect the stairway area of VD residence?
[13:01] did anyone inspect the stairway?
[13:01] he doesn't know, assumes they did
[13:01] Collins says he doesn't know
[13:02] Collins says he has never seen a floorplan but was in the house
[13:02] could you tell whose room was whose?
[13:02] No, he couldn't
[13:02] could you tell what room was the girl's - NO
[13:02] nothing indicated who was in what room
[13:02] it was PINK!
[13:02] he was shown her room - - doesn't rememberby who- not parents
[13:02] Were you shown which bedroom was Danielles? Yes, but not by parents
[13:02] he went in the room
[13:03] the doors were likely shut, guest
[13:03] did you look for blood in the room? Yes
[13:03] he was looking around
[13:03] but not "microscopically"
[13:03] people had been looking for trace evidence
[13:03] just a visual inspection
[13:04] Did he suspect initially that parents involved? objection, sustained
[13:04] initially did he suspect the parents? objection - sustained
[13:04] won't let him touch that
[13:04] :)
[13:04] 
[13:04] Collins did not direct forensic team
[13:04] he was asked if he figured they did their job
[13:05] objection - over ruled
[13:05] no one mentioned blood on stairwel? No
[13:05] Is this the first you heard of that evidence?
[13:05] I believe so
[13:05] That's a quote
[13:06] (he hasn't said yet whose blood it was on stairrail)
[13:06] No - - but how does the defense know if the cop doesn't?
[13:06] did you walk around the residence?
[13:06] yes
[13:06] did you note blood in garage on cement?
[13:06] No
[13:07] were any of your reports forensic?
[13:07] no
[13:07] You were unaware that techs had found blood near garage?
[13:07] objc, sustain
[13:07] AT 3am had you learned that Damon had vacuumed there?
[13:07] oh my vacumming/
[13:07] not sure when he was told
[13:08] WHY vacuum?????
[13:08] ???
[13:08]
[13:08] why would he vacuum at 3:00am?
[13:08] maybe something was spilled when they had pizza
[13:08] The vaccum cleaner was up
[13:08] was told later that Damon had vaccuumed
[13:08] and they say DW is a suspect cuz he cleaned his RV?
[13:08] ?
[13:08] objc, sustain
[13:09] absence or presence of drag marks? No
[13:09] I take it back, some drag marks on sidewalk on east side of house
[13:09] drag marks on east side of the house
[13:09] s.e. corner of house? yes
[13:09] s.w. ext corner of fireplace? I wasn't aware
[13:09] Was one drag mark 5 ' 4" long? don't know
[13:10] were you aware of blood on cement? No
[13:10] Damon was cleaning
[13:10] are you aware of Vanway?
[13:10] what would make a dragmark on cement? Blood?
[13:10] yes
[13:10] blood evidence
[13:10] or dust
[13:10] He's robbery or homicide, in plainclothes
[13:10] feet
[13:10] who is asking questions
[13:10] Feldman
[13:10] Feldman is cross examining
[13:10] now we have blood in three palces in the van Dam home
[13:11] thx :0
[13:11] 2/27 - he got infoemation
[13:11] that the body had been burned
[13:11] decomposition results in darkening
[13:12] "first blush" he thought burned, then realized it was decomp
[13:12] first appearance is that it was burned but not right - you can tell by the
foliage
[13:12] he was homicide det 5 years
[13:12] drag marks near body...report? No
[13:12] drag marks in Dehesa - he didn't write that in the report??
[13:12] From memory alone
[13:12] width of drag marks? long pause
[13:13] for thought: why would a person the size of DW have to drag a body the size of danielle?
[13:13] he did nothing to write reports to keep that memory
[13:13] he asked the cops to take photos
[13:13] good point alie
[13:13] they took photos
[13:14] to keep from getting blood on person
[13:14] the dragging I THINK is important - a pedohile who wanted her would have carried her at that point
[13:14] What if the person is resisiting?
[13:14] you might have to drag them
[13:14] im stuck on the Damon cleaing the house
[13:14] can't cover her mouth if you are dragging her
[13:14] I was referring to dragging at Dehesa
[13:14] lol cindy
[13:15] I am refering to both draggings
[13:15] WHEN did Damon vac?
[13:15] hope they have the vacuum bag
[13:15] maybe the blood issue applies to both?
[13:15] watch DW's movements
[13:15] the night it happened..or early next morning
[13:15] 3am byda??
[13:15] before 3am
[13:15] please describe DW demeanor and movements when you have time
[13:16] He is sitting with hands on hi lap mostly
[13:16] listening intently
[13:16] looking up?
[13:16] he looks very tired
[13:16] but is paying attention
[13:16] but not zombie
[13:16] no, cop was told at 3 AM Sunday that DVD had vaccumed
[13:16] Vacumed after forensic team was done?
[13:17] sems that way MaybeSo
[13:17] does his expression change at any of the testimony?
[13:17] seems
[13:17] AFTER forensics team was there?
[13:17] famale came in and sat near him and he touched her seat or something -
[13:17] big deal
[13:17] moved a paper on the table out of her way.
[13:17] Randy they went back 2 weeks later for more evidence
[13:17] her seat? her chair?
[13:17] what did they think they would get if Damon had been cleaning since day 1
[13:17] Feldman is fast and loud and the judge isn't fond of him
[13:18] :(
[13:18] commercial again
[13:18] I believe the forensics team had been there for 25 hours that day
[13:18] it's always that way with judges
[13:18] one of searchers took pictures.
[13:18] 15 hours, excuuuuse me
[13:18] Feldman sounds too angry he should take it easy
[13:18] Feldman trying to ascertain if additional photos were taken by searcher
[13:18] Were you aware they didn't tell?
[13:18] the judge asked the reporter i she got all that and she said
she was fine until the court interrupted :)
[13:19] the cops weren't communicating a lot
[13:19] doesn't say who killed her but this is a lot of stuff
[13:19] yep
[13:19] Feldman is doing a great job
[13:19] Collins describing body
[13:20] a searcher took pix of the body, but didn't tell police until later?
[13:20] small white -
[13:20] lots of stuff we hadn't heard
[13:20] hair indicated it was a female
[13:20] he sure is making Collins appear incompetent
[13:20] Define what you meant by advanced decomp
[13:20] lot of body tissue was gone
[13:20] Lot of tissue gone, dark color,
[13:20] with additional blood insdie the home....makes me wonder if other blood
was perhaps cleaned before police got there
[13:20] insects on face
[13:20] maggots
[13:20] insect - maggots on face
[13:20] forensic entolomology
[13:21] I didn't want to know that
[13:21] talking about bringing in bug scientists
[13:21] relevance? TOD
[13:21] did he touch body? No
[13:21] odor?
[13:21] none he noticed
[13:22] absence of odor indicates it had been there some time
[13:22] absence of odor suggest greater time or shorter time of decomp?
[13:22] Collins says he can't say - -
[13:22] Might be upwind...
[13:22] maybe he was upwind
[13:22] but i thought searchers were overcome by odor?
[13:22] no lie - he said that
[13:22] Early decomp smells?
[13:22] Yes
[13:22] Feldman is challenging him
[13:22] Upwind or down?
[13:22] yes
[13:22] I bet they were overcome by the sight
[13:23] temperatur at scene
[13:23] (late decomp smells bad, folks-LP)
[13:23] maybe 70
[13:23] Does temp affect decomp? Yes
[13:23] DW just laughed
[13:24] he is not frozen with fear
[13:24] Back to VD residence...
[13:24] did you talk to Damon? No
[13:24] vacuum
[13:24] did they take it?
[13:24] Collins didn't direct that
[13:24] what did he laugh about?
[13:25] it was off mic - can't tell
[13:25] Damon was concerned about daughter, but was vaccuuming?
[13:25] objection, sustained
[13:25] DW is talking to woman next to him
[13:25] he was not the only one laughing, something had been said we didn't hear
[13:25] Could you see footprints?
[13:25] Don't recall any
[13:25] she seems to be explaining things to him and he is nodding
[13:25] this is at scene again
[13:25] Bike marks?
[13:26] Marks in grass, but didn't notice much
[13:26] no further questions
[13:26] Collins just there to identify the victim
[13:26] Could you tell which rooms were male/female?
[13:26] Prosecution asked - - could you tell if the rooms were male or female -
From inside, yes
[13:26] Danielle room had poster bed, don't recall color of walls, but pink
in room
[13:27] what color was Danielle's room? Primary color was pink
[13:27] boys had cars, stuff
[13:27] drag marks at body...photos taken?
[13:27] obj, sustain
[13:27] he mentioned the net canopy....
[13:27] Do you know who directed photos?
[13:27] I did
[13:29] Miller told Collins she was leader of search team
[13:29] obj, denied
[13:29] Searcher went up to body
[13:29] and looked
[13:30] all the team went up and looked
[13:30] they did not touch or move body
[13:30] all their shoes were impounded
[13:30] couldn't tell the boys rooms rom the girls when the doors were closed
[13:30] Couldn't tell the kids' rooms if doors were closed
[13:31] and the vd's said the doors were closed that night
[13:31] Feldman is pointing at Damon for sure
[13:31] yep
[13:31] yep
[13:31] Van Dams told police the doors were closed...obj, sustain
[13:31] of course
[13:31] no other suspect
[13:31] 5 minute break
[13:31] brief break [[13:38] court back
[13:38] new witness
[13:39] brian douglas blackburn
[13:39] Dr
[13:39] Brian Blackburn - the ME
[13:39] ME
[13:39] did the autopsy
[13:39] background stuff now
[13:42] coroner on stand
[13:42] ME got there at about 10:45
[13:42] complaining that ME is reading from something
[13:43] OK - ME went to the tree
[13:43] got there at 10:45
[13:43] were the drag marks at the tree
[13:43] Dark - lots of lights at road
[13:43] used flashlight
[13:43] briefed by detectives
[13:43] went to tree
[13:43] body mummified
[13:43] eyes gone
[13:44] destroyed by animals
[13:44] skin and muscles gone
[13:44] from below collarbones
[13:44] down
[13:44] oh my dear lord
[13:44] legs gown to bone, foot absent
[13:44] he put body in body bag and sheet
[13:45] bagged hands, feet and head
[13:45] I guess it was a good place to leave a body if you wanted it destroyed
[13:45] hands were intact?
[13:45] what of clothing?
[13:45] there, but damages -
[13:45] no clothes
[13:45] he said no clothes also
[13:46] autopsy the next day
[13:46] bug expert at autopsy
[13:46] entolomogst on staff
[13:46] photos taken - about 15 on scene - 30 at 4 hour autopsy
[13:47] describe please
[13:47] seal on bag broken
[13:47] photos taken
[13:47] bags removed and given to lab
[13:47] photos taken
[13:47] trace evidenc - like clipping fingernails and mouth swabs taken then
[13:47] diagram made
[13:47] open chest and abdomen
[13:47] describe external exam
[13:48] animal activity and decomposition
[13:48] both earrings
[13:48] hair and earring described
[13:48] both earrings there -
[13:48] plastic necklace
[13:48] no clothes
[13:48] the back was missing from the left one
[13:48] face entact, mummiffied
[13:49] skin of face intact but mummified
[13:49] showing ME flyer
[13:49] face similar - but changed due to ...
[13:49] Internal
[13:50] below ribcage, organs missing
[13:50] bowel parts missing, from animals
[13:51] chest organs intact
[13:51] fluid in pleural cavity - taken for exam
[13:51] heart and lungs seemed normal
[13:51] though decomposing
[13:51] ugh
[13:51] bowel pulled from body
[13:51] all genitalia missing
[13:51] rectum partly there, severely decomposed
[13:51] heart normal
[13:51] lungs had some edema - better preserved than the rest of the organs
[13:51] below the rib cage
[13:51] missing rgans due to animal activity
[13:51] liver part there - bowel part here
[13:51] animals had been at her
[13:51] genitalia all missing
[13:51] animals
[13:51] swabbed what there was of the rectum
[13:51] swaps in pelvis
[13:52] but decomposed
[13:52] found bladder and was swapped
[13:52] all cells sloughed off and bacteria there
[13:52] tissue inside mouth swapped
[13:52] looking for any sexual activity
[13:52] 5 days only for semen to remain
[13:52] determine how long dead?
[13:52] long range only
[13:53] animal activity and decomp consistent with 3 1/2 weeks she was missing
[13:53] swabs of pelvis, but he swabbed area - - couldn't really tell what there was
[13:53] swabbed mouth
[13:53] inside mouth had deteriorated to - like mud
[13:53] how long had she been dead
[13:53] broad range - - can't pinpoint -
[13:53] consistant with the 3 1/2 weeks she had been missing
[13:53] commercial
[13:53] other body or fluid samples?
[13:54] ITK said, and I quote, "its gonna get worse....much worse. hang on "
[13:54] no actual blood
[13:54] the medical examiner does not expect that sperm would last in the body after
that long
[13:54] he was right
[13:54] sure was
[13:54] mummified hands
[13:54] hands were intact but mummified
[13:54] he said the most he found it last was 5 days
[13:55] mummified face as well
[13:55] is this the first DW has heard of the state of the body when found?
[13:55] not able to take fingerprints without rehydrating
[13:55] no genetalia left
[13:55] they took hands off and sent them to the lab
[13:55] hands removed
[13:55] but he did swab the bladder area
[13:55] dental records checked
[13:55] forensic dentist identified by dental records
[13:55] at autopsy
[13:55] Cause of death?
[13:56] Cause still pending
[13:56] pending, no injuries anatomical
[13:56] couldn't tell at autopsy
[13:56] injury or illness?
[13:56] no disease
[13:56] manner of death?
[13:56] homicide
[13:56] manner of death - homicide
[13:56] congested lungs
[13:56] all circumstances, being missing, found decomposed
[13:57] anything at scene to determine cause of death?
[13:57] whole circumstance
[13:57] he said there was edema and congestion, and 80 cc of fluid in one lung and
50 on the other
[13:57] Too much decomposition
[13:57] he sent the fluid to the toxicologist
[13:57] 30 minute recess
CHAT WENT ON _ _ THIS IS NOT TESTIMONY!
[13:58] they have not come to that yet
[13:58] she was nude
[13:58] necklace on and earrings
[13:58] pajamas?
[13:58] skin face intact
[13:58] (sask) could animals have pulled the clothing away?
[13:58] fingernails were clipped and examined.
[13:58] they would hve just opened what they wanted
[13:58] There would have been trace evidence of clothing if animals took it. Right?
[13:58] yes
[13:59] (sask) wonder if the police did find the earring backing somewhere
[13:59] prolly in the vacuum cleaner
[13:59] animals wouldn't take clothing
[13:59] was the blood found on stairway in VD home ? in VD garage?
[13:59] it may have been at scene...that hasn't been addressed yet
[13:59] blood on stairway, and near garage, LB
[13:59] court is on break - - they showed DW -
[14:00] on sidewalk, bloody drag marks at VD home
[14:00] I just don't see gult there, people
[14:00] present at autopsy: Det. Kaizer, 2 criminologists, Savage and Duheney, M>E>
Assistant,
[14:00] dragging at body scene could it be from animals dragging?
[14:00] DW seems to have a tremor
[14:00] entomologist
[14:00] i was thinking same thing jameson
[14:00] maybe early Parkinson?
[14:00] Feldman has questioned about blood on stairway, but there has not
been evidence to support that presented yet RIGHT?
[14:00] watch him - \
[14:00] he looks more worried than guilty to me
[14:00] Feldman got that info from a police report, Lav
[14:00] LP, is he shaking like in his initail appearance?
[14:00] no
[14:00] no shakes
[14:00] at first a bit
[14:00] not that bad
[14:00] not now
[14:01] he is OK
[14:01] just seems like a man that is a place he never imagined he would be
[14:01] agree
[14:01] i thought the drag marks were at the site, not at the house, someone please
clarify
[14:01] maybe medicated, but not a zombie at all
[14:01] I saw mild tremor when the camera was close up on him today
[14:01] any emotion shown during testimony?
[14:01] Where's the police report. I'd love to read it.
[14:01] dragging at both scenes
[14:01] drag marks at house on sidewalk
[14:01] damn
[14:01] drag to the tree from the north - - the access road
[14:01] :)
[14:02] short drag mark at Dehesa?
[14:02] YOU MEAN SHE WS DRAGGEDFROM HER HOUSEO +
[14:02] blood on sidewalk at VDs and near chimeny
[14:02] WHAT
[14:02] i cannot believe this
[14:02] Damon vaccuumed before crime techs arrived
[14:02] blood on stairs in the home also right?
[14:02] blood on handrail
[14:02] and in the garage
[14:02] and no one heard that child being DRAGGED?
[14:02] Not IN the garage. Adjacent
[14:02] this is too much
[14:02] that is impossible
[14:03] Myunderstanding is the vacuuming was after the forensics team left
[14:03] blood not in garage, but near garage
[14:03] before crime techs or between techs and detective? I wasn't clear on that
[14:03] mine too
[14:03] i wouldnt do that....even if they had left
[14:03] i cannot believe they vacuumed...unless he just is stupid
[14:03] I thought it was before techs
[14:03] vacuum at 3:00am?
[14:03] is he some kind of a dumbass?
[14:03] but either way...vaccuuming??
[14:03] we heard friends were inthere cleaning up all the fingerprint stuff
[14:03] (sask) maybe this explains more about the search dog's response
[14:04] those cops tracked in a lot of dirt!
[14:04] no, 3 AM is when the cop was told about the vacuuming
[14:04] you know they had to have some cross contamination, then
[14:04] seems stupid to vaccuum, but what if a glass broke or a plant tipped over or he had a reason like that?
[14:04] just doesnt make sense
[14:04] Collins arrived 3 a.m.
[14:04] he was told about vaccuming later
[14:04] the drag marks to where ?
[14:04] I F my child was missing, i would preserve the site
[14:04] the vaccuming was only mentioned in the garage
[14:04] geez, parents shouldn't even have been in the house at that point
[14:04] coke?
[14:05] Hi all
[14:05] you are right pigeon
[14:05] reports from interviews collins reviewed...those were the people in the house plus some
[14:05] others. long list of names.
[14:05] hi Kathy
[14:05] LP, let's wait and read the log :)
[14:05] This is KN
[14:05] seems that garage is the focus of many things
[14:05] hi Kathy
[14:05] that was a big mistake on the pd part
[16:49] swabbed some areas -
[16:49] right
[16:49] regardingthose areas
[16:49] not strangulation
[16:49] rectum - - and another tubal area - could have been vagina, more likely bladder - he doesn't know for sure
[16:50] swabs went to the cops
[16:50] he says to deteriorated to tell
[16:50] won't say she was assaulted or not
[16:50] doesnt seem to know
[16:50] bck to get him to say likely not strangled
[16:51] no injury to the cartiledge nd bones in neck
[16:51] all the tissue went to cops....
[16:51] medical terms - - so many
[16:51] sorry - I am not getting this
[16:52] back of neck shows no evidence of strangulation
[16:52] lavidity indeterminable
[16:52] no evidence to injury to hyloid cartlige of something bone....
[16:53] cartoid bone i think
[16:53] appeared to be no petechaie
[16:54] in lining of larnyx
[16:54] how could they tell... i thought it was too badly decomposed
[16:54] certain organs were intact
[16:55] protected by ribs or close to grund
[16:55] ground
[16:55] petchaie are typically present in strangulation victims.
[16:55] petechaie are busted blood vessles
[16:56] OH-
[16:56] he did it
[16:56] consistant w 2 1/2, 3 1/2 weeks decomposition
[16:56] he said -- the body sould have been there 2 1/2 - 3 1/2 weeks
[16:56] consistant with that
[16:56] pause
[16:57] consistant w/ being killed after 2/5/02 could be
[16:57] could be consistant w/ death after 2/5 - etc. etc.
[16:57] Feldman said - - then she culd have been killed after 2/5 - - and the ME said yes
[16:57] that would be consistant -
[16:57] after 6th? yes. 8th? Yes, 9th? Yes
[16:58] commercial
[16:58] he is saying it could have been as late as the 12th
[16:59] so if they cant even prove WHEN she died any closer than that how can they win on a murder charge against dw?
[16:59] This is not good for the prosecution
[16:59] couple more questions
[16:59] they would have to havehis evidence on her - I think
[16:59] and they say her body is too decomposed to get that kind of evidence
[17:00] Feldman ends
[17:00] her hands might have it
[17:00] redirect
[17:00] good point
[17:00] under her nails
[17:00] and fibers last
[17:00] i cant believe there would be any fibers after that long out in the open
[17:01] petechiaes not found, tissues where that could be fuond not present
[17:02] too decomposed
[17:02] sounds like da is trying to prove she could have been strangled... or smothered
[17:02] Feldman is back
[17:03] OK - - this just in from ME person to me - - the parents did NOT view the body - period
[17:03] Literature suggests fractures to face if asphixiation?
[17:03] no broken ribs
[17:04] ME has no direct evidence of axphixia
[17:04] DIRECT was emphasized
[17:05] No physical signs of asphixia present to ME
[17:05] Talking about fingernails.
[17:05] it seems to me they cant prove when she was killed.... or how.... so if they cant prove that how can they prove it was murder?....
[17:05] the lab had her hands
[17:05] the ME won't tell us what they found
[17:06] exhibit
[17:06] showing ME photo of body - he cringed
[17:06] BIGGY if they cant prove she didnt die accidently or of natural causes.........
[17:06] Prosecutiion back on, showing the photo to ME
[17:06] Prosecution resting
[17:06] DW is upset
[17:06] with witness
[17:07] where's his tie and coat???????
[17:07] this has been emotional -
[17:07] [17:07] Another doctor comin in now
[[17:07] what was he looking at?
[17:07] he is obviously shook up right now
[17:08] when he cringed
[17:08] dw saw the pic of her body....
[17:08] This would upsent anyone, innocent or guilty
[17:08] no kidding
[17:08] what the hell am I watching?
[17:08] Norman Sperbert?
[17:08] must be before lunch
[17:08] Sperber
[17:09] they better have more witnesses......
[17:09] two professions
[17:09] gen dentist and
[17:09] yes here in Washington
[17:09] forensic dentist
[17:09] cause so far all they have proven is that she died and decomposed...... not a BIT of evidence of who did it
[17:09] or how or when
[17:09] It is the cop who was there first
[17:09] so far this all goes to prove she was murdered - - not one word about why DW is suspect
[17:09] figures
[17:09] they will get to why DW did it
[17:10] e is talking about the cases he worked on
[17:10] such as drowning....
[17:10] a lot
[17:11] 4 - 5,000 victims in his career
[17:11] Ted Bundy, Henry HUbber
[17:11] to this case
[17:11] Jeffrey Dahmer
[17:11] cases
[17:11] WTC one week
[17:11] experienced!
[17:11] how can he sleep?
[17:11] what a job!
[17:12] notified 2/27/02
[17:12] he was called in and interrupted the autopsy to do his work
[17:12] post mortum 2/27/02 did his exam
[17:12] sorry, little one needs wiped
[17:13] mouth condition?
[17:13] decomposed, not much tone
[17:13] three teeth missing,
[17:13] one baby canine, two permanent front teeth missing
[17:14] locate teeth?
[17:14] one located w/ lateral x-ray
[17:14] in back there was a tooth there
[17:14] recovered and placed back in mouth
[17:14] photoed then
[17:14] in space where gum connects to teeth
[17:14] no idea where other two are
[17:15] Baker, her reg dentist provided his history x-rays
[17:15] teeth were consistent
[17:15] w/ 7 y.o.
[17:15] lower teeth were all present
[17:15] he compared the x-rays with those of her own dentist and made the match
[17:15] opinion identity?
[17:16] were w/o question of the same individual
[17:16] even though the xrays were taken in may of 01
[17:16] the 6 year molar were present
[17:16] X-am
[17:17] by Feldman
[17:17] no, by other def attny
[17:17] You know, I watch DW and he is upset at times but I think it is just hearing the details of what was done. I think he is hearing it all for the first time as well. And to be accused of that!
[17:17] he did interrupt the autopsy to do his dental identification
[17:17] Trama to teeth?
[17:17] No
[17:17] Missing teeth?
[17:17] How?
[17:17] the stuff that anchors tooth to bone decomposes
[17:18] and the teeth can loosen and fall out
[17:18] you're ahead of me Jams, go ahead
[17:18] just by moing body
[17:18] stages in death - - trying to get a time
[17:19] he says it depends on the conditions - temperature, dry or wet like in water
[17:19] commercial again!
[17:19] can't tell TOD he says
[17:20] Range of TOD?
[17:20] objection to range of TOD
[17:20] He can't judge TOD at all.
[17:21] Literature on TOD in his field/
[17:21] dentist said two teeth were missing...perms
[17:21] due to decomp laces
[17:21] no signs of fractiure or trauma
[17:21] can he say whether they just fell out with decompositon or if they were knocked out?
[17:21] lavender....he doesnt look like he did it
[17:21] no
[17:22] going back.....
[17:22] sounds like he is leaning toward decomp causing it in my opinion
[17:22] cause of death?
[17:22] objct
[17:23] no signs of trauma
[17:23] could he tell anything about cause of death by the teeth? objection sustained
[17:23] what was the matter with that question?
[17:23] examine root system?
[17:23] appeared to be normal, free of trauma
[17:23] How much pressure to cause perms to come out
[17:24] Before decomp?
[17:24] I don't know
[17:24] he can't tell
[17:24] Can't tell the amt. of pressure
[17:24] depends on hor deep the roots were -
[17:24] He did notice the crown root ratio of front tooth was very long in relation to the root.
[17:24] Means with any kind of pressure would lever it out readily
[17:25] Can't say the amt. of pressure required
[17:25] If when alive, was mouth in good enough condition to tell if before or after decomp?
[17:25] Can't answer
[17:25] Done with witness
[17:26] not subject to recall
[17:26] Kristina Hoff?
[17:27 what was he trying to establish with that? if there was trauma? that knocked tooth out? or what
[17:27] where are the missing teeth?
[17:27] animals run off with the teeth also?
[17:27] hmm
[17:27] Christina Hoff
[17:27] Court Tv is closing - catherine crier says she will cover it a bit
[17:28] did I get that spelling right/
[17:28] female on stand
[17:28] HAff?
[17:28] 3 teeth missing.... one found in the back of mouth... found it with xray
[17:28] familiar w/ DW?
[17:28] Weren't 2 of missing incisors baby teeth?
[17:28] does she know DW
[17:28] Neighbor!
[17:28] Haffs?
[17:28] neighbor
[17:28] i thought 2 perms one baby
[17:28] one baby two perm
[17:28] she lives behind him
[17:28] ID's him
[17:29] DW neighbour?
[17:29] her house is higher than his
[17:29] hers sets above his house
[17:29] she can see into the back of his house from her upstairs
[17:29] identical floor plans
[17:29] can see entire rear of his house
[17:29] her bedroom looks into his rooms
[17:29] where is this leading????
[17:29] argung over if she can say what those roms are
[17:30] can see into his house
[17:30] has she seen in? Yes
[17:30] what see?
[17:30] what has she seen?
[17:30] all rear windows and rear door
[17:30] Thinks she can see into his bedroom
[17:30] she sees into a bedroom over there - she thinks it is his \
[17:31] asking for foundation
[17:31] she can say she sees A bedroom, not HIS
[17:31] can see into living area downstairs
[17:31] On 2/1 - to 2/2 was she home? yes
[17:31] in her bedroom from 10
[17:31] watching tv there
[17:31] superbowl stuff
[17:31] neighbor
[17:31] neighbor
[17:32] neighbour behind DW
[17:32] behind DW
[17:32] light of DW was on
[17:32] outside back light
[17:32] unusual
[17:32] she turned off her TV and noticed his outside light was on
[17:32] shining into her room
[17:32] every or alot?
[17:32] 10 will get u 20 she is the reason the cops zeroed in on dw in the first place
[17:32] we are reporting - - shhh - - we have to edit out the talk
[17:32] between 2 and 2:30 infant was up
[17:33] she got up between 2 and 2:30 to deal with her infant son
[17:33] went back to bed and got up again because of lght\
[17:33] the light disturbed her
[17:33] check out light?
[17:33] she looked out
[17:33] andshe saw the house was closed up - all curtains closed
[17:33] got up and looked, DW blinds all closed up, unusual
[17:33] she thought he must have left town
[17:33] he doens't usuallly shut them all up
[17:33] all blinds shut was unusual
[17:34] back door blind shut tight too, never seen thta before
[17:34] seemed unusual
[17:34] RV?
[17:34] did he have any RV's yes
[17:34] saw RV parked out front
[17:34] loading and unloading
[17:34] parks it on Brierleaf
[17:34] had seen him loading and unloading before
[17:34] on the corner of his house
[17:35] Side street is Brierleaf
[17:35] Des. custom for operation RV?
[17:35] his customs
[17:35] he would park it there for days before a trip
[17:35] also has a buggy trailer
[17:35] ??
[17:35] how long get ready?
[17:35] from that day to a couple prior
[17:35] day or two
[17:35] parked there afterwards, unloading
[17:35] after a trip? he would park it there again
[17:35] report to police?
[17:36] yes
[17:36] When aware of Danielle?
[17:36] 11:00a that morning
[17:36] Heard helicopter
[17:36] she knew about the disappearance at about 11 am
[17:36] Contacted?
[17:36] their home was check
[17:36] by canine too
[17:36] cops interviews them and dogs in home
[17:36] Croxx
[17:37] here comes Feldman?
[17:37] Patio light on, blinds closed
[17:37] normal Friday night for her?
[17:37] Yes.
[17:37] Dispatcher for CA hiway
[17:37] She is
[17:38] Did she work on that Fri?
[17:38] NO
[17:38] What days off?
[17:38] parttiem TW or WTH
[17:38] brb
[17:38] Did not work FSorS
[17:39] RV Qs
[17:39] Did NOT see RV that night
[17:39] About when there
[17:39] When see it there for days before trip
[17:39] Loading and unloading talk
[17:39] coming and goin
[17:40] Did not actually see him actually IN it
[17:40] would see RV equip there
[17:40] Would see him outside
[17:40] Never saw him step into it or step out of it
[17:40] just around it
[17:41] just occasionally saw him, didn't set and watch him
[17:41] door of RV open or closed
[17:41] Both
[17:41] Doesn't know where he would go when he took the RV
[17:42] Assumed the desert
[17:42] enclosed trailer
[17:42] doors open
[17:42] RV would reappear
[17:42] atv's in trailer
[17:42] clean?
[17:42] never washed or hosed down that she saw
[17:42] DW kid Qs
[17:42] assumed son lived there
[17:42] saw sons car often
[17:43] son in/out of RV?
[17:43] can't put him actually IN it
[17:43] around it outside yes
[17:43] unusal activities?
[17:43] yes, unusual
[17:43] Hubby is a sgt w/ hiwya pat
[17:44] son in/out of RESIDENCE (not rv)
[17:44] worked friday
[17:44] returned aroudn 11:00?
[17:44] she was asleep, doesn't know for sure
[17:44] when first notice blinds closed?
[17:44] when infant woke around 2-2:30a
[17:44] didnt notice before then
[17:44] DID notice the patio light was on when she went to be
[17:45] around 10:30 or 11
[17:45] bright in her room at 10:30
[17:45] she did NOT notice the blinds were closed at that time.
[17:45] Noticed blinds at 2-2:30
[17:45] Noticed light 10:30 - 11:00
[17:45] Tell hubby next day?
[17:45] about lights?
[17:45] doesn't recall
[17:46] She told the police
[17:46] When first tell?
[17:46] a couple of days after disappearance
[17:46] unusual that house closed up
[17:46] been ?ed several times
[17:46] she went down to the police station
[17:46] you or hubby go?
[17:46] She did
[17:47] Det called hubby told something -- missed it
[17:47] my connectiongoes bad every once in a while. sorry
[17:47] unusual for her to go to command post
[17:47] dispatcher
[17:48] fam. w/ giving info aobut crimes yes
[17:48] aware info gets to off. asap
[17:48] she asked for det in charge of case to tell about the lights and blinds
[17:48] when she walked to the command post
[17:49] left 4p returned 9p
[17:49] on fri
[17:49] Police helicopter overhead is how she learned
[17:49] was aware of search, police officer came to her house
[17:50] two det. knocked on door after the whole neighborhood was taped off
[17:50] comm. meeting at 6p to see what they could do to help
[17:50] knocked on door at 5 something
[17:50] she did not talk w/ det. hubby did
[17:51] police not in uniform
[17:51] searched her home w/ dog
[17:51] present? no
[17:51] when? Mon
[17:51] when dog search?
[17:51] following
[17:53] two instances police were there
[17:53] 1st tiem was when the 2 det were there
[17:53] 2nd w/ canine
[17:53] not home when canine there
[17:53] can't remember if she was there
[17:54] there when police contacted DW in driveway?
[17:54] FEb 4 Mon?
[17:54] Home? She doesn't know when they contacted DW
[17:54] didn't note it.
[17:54] She went to table on Monday.
[17:54] She did notice sonarriving.
[17:54] backpack w/ him watching
[17:55] the next week DW was arrested
[17:55] Then she gave the info on the blinds and lights.
[17:55] Westerfield's son arrived Monday 2/4; son watched activity in neighbor; had backback
[17:56] First time blinds and lights reported w/i FIRST week. Not AFTER arrest
[17:56] They had been in the house
[17:56] after that
[17:56] gave info on blinds within the 1st week
[17:56] knew vehicles had been impounded before she reported it
[17:56] she didn't read the newspapers
[[17:56] AFTER his photo had been in the media
[[17:57] had seen him on tv
[17:57] she saw the impounding coverage
[17:57] saw police saying he was not a suspect
[17:57] talk w/ hubby about blinds lights?
[17:57] object sus
[17:57] moment....
[17:58] ON sat notice blinds?
[17:58] Yes, closed
[17:58] sun?
[17:58] can't answer for sun
[17:59] He has a POOL
[17:59] mon ?
[17:59] can't recall on mom
[17:59] mon
[17:59] i KNEW i heard something about a pool
[17:59] Once police were on him, blinds were a little bit cracked open
[17:59] which day?
[17:59] one of the days the evidence persons were there
[17:59] she knows for sure sat, blinds because she looked over fence into pool, knowing child was milling
[17:59] blinds were cracked open
[18:00] BBQ on Fri?
[18:00] in DW?
[18:00] Party
[18:00] Week before that Fri?
[18:00] dont' recall
[18:00] child "missing" not milling
[18:00] week before that friday party?
[18:01] saw tech inside
[18:01] NOthing further by def
[18:02] Fri Feb. 1, around 4:00
[18:02] see RV? no
[18:02] Didn't see him or his RV or packing of RV that Friday
[18:02] Witness done
[18:03] break til 10 after 3 and will go until 4:30 PCFTIME