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Former Muslim Dr. Ergun Caner Says: "Islam is NOT a Peaceful Religion"
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Posted on 03/11/2002 12:12:12 PM PST by justme346

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1 posted on 03/11/2002 12:12:12 PM PST by justme346
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To: Ambrose
Former Muslim Dr. Ergun Caner Says: "Islam is NOT a Peaceful Religion"

Ambrose, what's up with this? I thought Islam was a peaceful, loving religion, or at least that is what Muslim apologists are trying to tell us. Now this clown comes along and bursts my bubble. Can I turn off the sarcasm now?

2 posted on 03/11/2002 12:17:23 PM PST by Mark17
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To: Mark17
Can I turn off the sarcasm now?

Not yet...as a matter of fact...."Oh My Allah..how can this be ?

but , but...I thought Islum was the cult of piece.

3 posted on 03/11/2002 12:37:10 PM PST by evad
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To: justme346
Seize them and slay them wherever you find them: and in any case take no friends or helpers from their ranks." - Surah 4:89
Medina Suras
The Chapter of Women
[Chapters from the Koran]
The Harvard Classics 1909–14

But if there befalls you grace from God, he would say—as though there were no friendship between you and him—‘O would that I had been with thee to attain this mighty happiness!’ Let those then fight in God’s way who sell this life of the world for the next; and whoso fights in God’s way, then, be he killed or be he victorious, we will give him a mighty hire.

What ails you that ye do not fight in God’s way, and for the weak men and women and children, who say, ‘Lord, bring us out of this town 19 of oppressive folk, and make for us from Thee a patron, and make for us from Thee a help?’

Those who believe fight in the way of God; and those who disbelieve fight in the way of Tâghût; fight ye then against the friends of Satan, verily, Satan’s tricks are weak.

Do ye not see those to whom it is said, ‘Restrain your hands, and be steadfast in prayer and give alms;’ and when it is prescribed for them to fight then a band of them fear men, as though it were the fear of God or a still stronger fear, and they say, ‘O our Lord! why hast thou prescribed for us to fight, couldst thou not let us abide till our near appointed time?’ Say, ‘The enjoyment of this world is but slight, and the next is better for him who fears;’—but they shall not be wronged a straw.

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Why are ye two parties about the hypocrites, when God hath overturned them for what they earned? Do ye wish to guide those whom God hath led astray? Whoso God hath led astray ye shall not surely find for him a path. They would fain that ye misbelieve as they misbelieve, that ye might be alike; take ye not patrons from among them until they too flee in God’s way; but if they turn their backs, then seize them and kill them wheresoever ye find them, and take from them neither patron nor help,—save those who reach a people betwixt whom and you is an alliance—or who come to you while their bosoms prevent them from fighting you or fighting their own people. But had God pleased He would have given you dominion over them, and they would surely have fought you. But if they retire from you and do not fight you, and offer you peace,—then God hath given you no way against them.

Ye will find others who seek for quarter from you, and quarter from their own people; whenever they return to sedition they shall be overturned therein: but if they retire not from you, nor offer you peace, nor restrain their hands, then seize them and kill them wheresoever ye find them;—over these we have made for you manifest power.


4 posted on 03/11/2002 12:45:58 PM PST by SlickWillard
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To: justme346; hamza01
Your father whispers the Kaleema in your ear and you are a Muslim.

Sorry, darling, you're Muslim as soon as you are born, nobody has to whisper the Kaleema in your ear.

There is no concept of original sin in Islam.
All life is born Muslim, even the animals.

I will try to look up those 2 verses of Koran.

REAL ISLAM = JUDAISM + SOAP AND WATER

6 posted on 03/11/2002 12:49:59 PM PST by japaneseghost
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Don't quite get the soap and water bit. Jews may not have liked the Samaritans, but they didn't have a god say 'slay' and christians don't have a 'House of War'
7 posted on 03/11/2002 12:57:24 PM PST by metacognate
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To: Okiegolddust
Probably some Ayatollah is putting a price on his head right now for saying such an untruth ;)

Yeah..I know 'zakly what you mean ;-)

Some rag head poking pins in a doll. Oops, that's vodoo. Well, whatever potion they brew and spew.

8 posted on 03/11/2002 1:00:44 PM PST by evad
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To: justme346
BUMP
9 posted on 03/11/2002 1:06:11 PM PST by TLBSHOW
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To: evad
but , but...I thought Islum was the cult of piece.

Well, it is a cult of "piece." They want to get a piece of you, but it is definitely not a cult of peace.

10 posted on 03/11/2002 1:08:50 PM PST by Mark17
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To: metacognate
...but they didn't have a god say 'slay' ...

hmmm...not sure what exact word was used but those folk at Jericho got exterminated somehow....every man, woman and child.

FWIW

11 posted on 03/11/2002 1:14:01 PM PST by evad
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To: Mark17
hahaha. sad thing is it looks like the Bush State Dept. is sucking up to these thugs again, in a bid to win their support for action against iraq.
12 posted on 03/11/2002 1:14:47 PM PST by ambrose
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To: metacognate
Lemme 'splain

Muslims must wash (or pretend to wash, if water is lacking, which is not unusual) face,hands, nose, mouth, ears, feet and nether regions 5 times a day, before salat (Prayer, o Infidel dog).

This is why it is written, only a brave frogman in a rubber suit should share sanitary facilities with our Muslim brothers. (Don't believe me? Fly SaudiAir.)

However, any religion which encourages Third Worlders to wash (or pretend to wash) their nether regions 5 times a day may have some redeeming value somewhere. However, I must point out that if Muslims insist on killing people who do not immediately adopt their habits, appreciating any value their customs might have becomes somewhat problematical.

13 posted on 03/11/2002 1:26:27 PM PST by Francohio
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To: metacognate
I'm not saying Jews are dirty; I'm saying that Mohammed had a real obsessive-compulsive thing about cleanliness, and that Judaism and Islam and closely related.
14 posted on 03/11/2002 1:33:48 PM PST by japaneseghost
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To: japaneseghost
The McCoys and the Hatfields were cousins. So what!
15 posted on 03/11/2002 1:42:25 PM PST by sheik yerbouty
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To: japaneseghost
It seems you're full of shi'ite. The true " peace" of Saladin be upon you, and may nakbas await you, O foolish one! Bi la kaifa!{'nuff said)
16 posted on 03/11/2002 1:44:51 PM PST by sheik yerbouty
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To: justme346; Mark17
Some of you might be interested in listening to BOB MOREY LIVE from 6-7 PM every day HERE. He usually talks about how "Islam is not a peaceful religion" on every broadcast, and can back it up.
17 posted on 03/11/2002 2:14:47 PM PST by Matchett-PI
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To: SlickWillard
You cited the Koran: "then seize them and kill them wheresoever ye find them, and take from them neither patron nor help,—save those who reach a people betwixt whom and you is an alliance—or who come to you while their bosoms prevent them from fighting you or fighting their own people. ... But if they retire from you and do not fight you, and offer you peace,—then God hath given you no way against them." Good post, for you have done the obvious thing in citing the Koran at length. Thus we see the statement in context. But really, is it not qualified? If the enemy "retires" or is weak, or offers terms, then "God hath given you no way against them." Also there is the warning not to exceed the limits, for Allah loves not those who exceed limits (in warfare.) This is in a different part of the book. It seems to me that this is heretical, from the Christian point of view, not because it is too warlike, but because it is too weak. We are told, in the Book of Numbers, to slay them all - even the male children - save the girls who have not known man. The massacres in the Book of Joshua are proverbial.
18 posted on 03/11/2002 4:34:21 PM PST by BlackVeil
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To: sheik yerbouty
I understand Saladin was Sunni.
19 posted on 03/12/2002 12:30:46 PM PST by japaneseghost
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To: BlackVeil
It's hard for me to compare a war three thousand years ago against another nation to killing civilian infidels in 2002. Christianity has always worried about 'just' war.
20 posted on 03/12/2002 12:44:24 PM PST by metacognate
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