A Warning for Americans: A Message from a South African

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[Jakarta ex-pat]

People used to say that South Africa was 20 years behind the rest of the Western world. Television, for example, came late to South Africa (but so did pornography and the gay rights movement).

Today, however, South Africa may be the grim model of the future Western world, for events in America reveals trends chillingly similar to those that destroyed our country.

America's structures are of "Western Culture". Your Congress, your lobbying groups, your free speech, and the way ordinary Americans either get involved or ignore politics are peculiarly your "Western Culture", not the way most of the world operates. But the fact that only about a third of Americans deem it important to vote is horrifying in light of how close you are to losing your Western character.

Writing letters to the press, manning stands at county fairs, hosting fund-raising dinners, attending rallies, setting up conferences, writing your Congressman -- that is what you know, and what you are comfortable with. Those are the political methods you've created for yourselves to keep your country on track and to ensure political accountability,with freedom and justice for all.

But woe to you if -- or more likely, when -- the rules change. Americans may soon find themselves unable or unwilling to stand up to challenge the new political methods that will be the inevitable result of the ethnic metamorphosis now taking place in America. Unable to cope with the new rules of the game -- violence, mob riots, intimidation through accusations of racism, demands for proportionality based on racial numbers, and all the other social and political weapons used by the have-nots to bludgeon treasure and power from the haves -- Americans, like others before them, will no doubt cave in. They will compromise away their independence and ultimately their way of life.

That is exactly what happened in South Africa. I know, because I was there and I saw it happen.

Faced with revolution in the streets, strikes, civil unrest and the sheer terror and murder practiced by Nelson Mandela's African National Congress (ANC), the white government simply capitulated in order to achieve "peace."Westerners need peace. They need order and stability. They are builders and planners. But what we got was peace of the grave for our society.

The Third World is different -- different peoples with different pasts and different cultures. Yet Westerners continue to mistake the psychology of the Third World and its peoples. Sierra Leone and Zimbabwe are perfect examples of those mistakes. Sierra Leone is in perpetual civil war, and Zimbabwe -- once thriving, stable Rhodesia -- is looting the very people who feed the country. Yet Westerners do not admit that the same kind of savagery could come to America when enough immigrants of the right type assert themselves. The fact is, Americans are sitting ducks for Third World exploitation of the Western conscience of compassion.

Those in the West who forced South Africa to surrender to the ANC and its leaders did not consider Africa to be the dangerous, corrupt, and savage place it is now in Zimbabwe and South Africa. Those Western politicians now have a similar problem on their own doorsteps: the demand for power and treasure from the non-Western peoples inside the realm.

It is already too late for South Africa, but not for America if enough people strengthen their spine and take on the race terrorists, the armies of the "politically correct" and, most dangerous of all, the craven politicians who believe "compassionate conservatism" will buy them a few more votes, a few more days of peace.

South Africans, you should remember, have been in that part of Africa for the same amount of time whites have inhabited North America; yet ultimately South Africans voted for their own suicide. We are not so very different from you.

We lost our country through skillful propaganda, pressure from abroad ,Great Britan the UN (not least from the U.S.A.), with unrelenting charges of "oppression" and "racism," and the shrewd assessment by African tyrants that the white man has many Achilles' heels, the most significant of which are his compassion, his belief in the "equality of man," and his "love your neighbor" philosophy -- none of which are part of the Third World's history.

The mainline churches played a big role in the demise of Western influence throughout Africa, too; especially in South Africa. Today's tyrants were yesterday's mission-school proteges. Many dictators in Africa were men of the cloth. They knew their clerical collars would deflect criticism and obsfucate their real aims, which had nothing whatever to do with the "brotherhood of man."

Other tyrants, like the infamous Idi Amin, were trained and schooled by the whites themselves, at Oxford, Cambridge, and Harvard. After receiving the best from the West, they unleashed a resentful bloodlust against their benefactors.

From what I have seen and read thus far, I fear Americans will capitulate just as we did. Americans are, generally, a "compassionate" lot. They don't want to quarrel or obstruct the claims of those who believe they were wronged. They like peace and quiet, and they want to compromise and be nice.

A television program aired in South Africa showed a town meeting in Southern California where people met to complain about falling standards in the schools. Many who politely spoke at the meeting clearly resented the influx of Mexican immigrants into their community. When a handful of Chicanos at the back of the hall shouted and waved their hands at them, the "compassionate" simply shrunk back into their seats rather than tell the noisemakers to shut up. They didn't want to quarrel.

In America, the courts are still the final arbiters of society's laws. But what will happen when your future majority refuses to abide by court rulings -- as in Zimbabwe? What will happen when the courts are filled with their people, or their sympathizers? In California, Proposition 187 has already been overturned.

What will you do when the future nonwhite majority decides to change the names of streets and cities? What will you do when they no longer want to use money that carries the portraits of old, dead white "racists" and slave owners? Will you cave in, like you did on flying the Confederate flag? What about the national anthem? Your official language?

Don't laugh. When the "majority" took over in South Africa, the first targets were our national symbols.

In another generation, America may well face what Africa is now experiencing -- invasions of private land by the "have-nots;" the decline in health care quality; roads and buildings in disrepair; the banishment of your history from the education of the young; the revolutionization of your justice system.

In South Africa today, only 9 percent of murders end up in jail. Court dockets are regularly purchased and simply disappear. Magistrates can be bribed as can the prison authorities, making escapes commonplace. Vehicle and airplane licenses are regularly purchased, and forged school and university certificates are routine.

What would you think of the ritual slaughter of animals in your neighbor's backyard? How do you clean up the blood and entrails that litter your suburban streets? How do you feel about the practice of witchcraft, in which the parts of young girls and boys are needed for "medicinal" purposes? How do you react to the burning of witches?

Don't laugh. All that is quite common in South Africa today.

Don't imagine that government officials caught with their fingers in the till will be punished. Excuses -- like the need to overcome generations of white racism -- will be found to exonerate the guilty.

In fact, known criminals will be voted into office because of a racial solidarity among the majority that doesn't exist among the whites. When Ian Smith of the old Rhodesia tried to stand up to the world, white South African politicians were among the Westerners pressuring him to surrender.

When Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe murders his political opponents, ignores unfavorable court decisions, terrorizes the population and siphons off millions from the state treasury for himself and his friend, South Africa's new President Thabo Mbeki holds his hand and declares his support. That just happened a few weeks ago.

Your tax dollars will go to those who don't earn and don't pay. In South Africa, organizations that used to have access to state funds such as old age homes, the arts, and veterans' services, are simply abandoned.

What will happen is that Western structures in America will be either destroyed from without, or transformed from within, used to suit the goals of the new rulers. And they will reign either through terror, as in Zimbabwe today, or exert other corrupt pressures to obtain, or buy votes. Once power is in the hands of aliens, don't expect loyalty or devotion to principle from those whose jobs are at stake. One of the most surprising and tragic components of the disaster in South Africa is how many previously anti-ANC whites simply moved to the other side.

Once you lose social, cultural, and political dominance, there is no getting it back again.

Unfortunately, your habits and values work against you. You cannot fight terror and street mobs with letters to your Congressmen. You cannot fight accusations of racism with prayer meetings. You cannot appeal to the goodness of your fellow man when the fellow man despises you for your weakness and hacks off the arms and legs of his political opponents.To survive, Americans must never lose the power they now enjoy to people from alien cultures. Above all, don't put yourselves to the test of fighting only when your backs are against the wall. You will probably fail.

Millions around the world want your good life. But make no mistake: They care not for the high-minded ideals of Jefferson and Washington, and your Constitution or Bill of Rights. What they want are your possessions, your power, and your status.

And they already know that their allies among you, the "human rights activists," the skillful lawyers and the left-wing politicians will fight for them, and not for you. They will exploit your compassion and your Christian charity, and your good will.

They have studied you, Mr. and Mrs. America, and they know your weaknesses well.

They know what to do.

Do you?

[Poohbah]

Nothing. My statement was posted in response to Kammler's sniveling about censorship and merely consisted of standard lecture to newbies (SLTN #3, Revision A, to be precise) about how this is JimRob's site, and JimRob will cheerfully censor material he doesn't want on FR.

[jsraggmann]

The Spec-Ops troops are almost 100% white. They are 100% men.

[wardaddy]

I know. I always bristle when liberals whine that the American military uses minorities as fodder. They never have, it is an urban myth. LBJ yanked blacks out of the comabt theatre in Nam when they started getting killed disproportionately.

[Goetz_von_Berlichingen]

" . . . was Rome more willing to eventually accept a civilized blonde, blue-eyed Celt as a Roman citizen on equal footing with a brown-eyed, black haired Latin . . ."

With apologies for straying off topic . . .
I had read that the original Romans were, in fact, Celtic or something very close. The Divine Julius, for example, is supposed to have had red hair.

[LostTribe]

>I had read that the original Romans were, in fact, Celtic or something very close. The Divine Julius, for example, is supposed to have had red hair.

Very close is pretty close indeed. Recent analysis of those Assyrian Tablets in the British Museum has opened up a whole new source of information, making a whole lot of history texts obsolete and leaving many copycat authors sucking air.

For more info on how the players relate, please click on my Profile.

[wardaddy]

Honeypie, the Oppenheimers are only one of many examples of very prominent SA Jews. Ironically how do you suppose the Oppenheimers got their wealth?...look it up and educate yourself.

Here's another question for you: Where were the world's first known "concetration camps"? I'll help you. Go to Google.Com and write in Boer War Concentration Camps and hit the search button. The world is full of irony and sometimes the truth defies conventional wisdom...trust me.

Warm Regards.

[Goetz_von_Berlichingen]

Alternative history is always fun, but I think it may be incorrect to assume an inevitable strife between Indian tribes and White settlers. In the absence of massive immigration, there would be no practical need for White expansionism, hence no need to displace the indigenous peoples. Since each Indian tribe was essentially its own "state" there would arise inevitable alliances between communities of the two races, with likely matrimonial connexions among the ruling classes.

Also, Indians owned Negro slaves just as the Whites did. If you posit a slave revolt, then you have just pushed the Indian and White defenders of the status quo into an even closer alliance. And I doubt that any rebelling slaves would have had the necessary tribal cohesion to take on the armed might of organised Indian and White communities.

[SauronOfMordor]

One other factor is that blacks of other than African decent do not share the same limiting employment and advancement problems as African-Americans..why ?

Are you talking about non-US Blacks (like Jamaicans, Haitians, etc)?

The Jamaicans who immigrate to the US tend to be more successful than American Blacks. Possibly that's due to the Jamaican culture being different. Maybe due to genetic differences. I did find out a while back that Jamaicans are to a large extent Black/Irish mix (Cromwell shipped a few thousand troublesome Irish to Jamaica as slaves in the late 1600's (see Catholic Encyclopedia entry))

[cascademountaineer]

Please do us all and spare us the commentary dear.

Your are in no way to make ethical or moral judgements by any means whatsoever.

If anything the similarities between the two circumstances are so close as to be assymetrical.

For you to make a judgement is to condemn yourself.

If you wish to continue, be prepared to do a lengthy self evaluation of everything you have posted. For it is ridiculous beyond belief.

[Polybius]

I had read that the original Romans were, in fact, Celtic or something very close. The Divine Julius, for example, is supposed to have had red hair.

Although the Romans were not themselves Celts, it must be remembered that the Celts had conquered northern Italy and presented a constant danger to Rome. Northern Italy, in fact, was named Cis-Alpine Gaul (Land the Celts this side of the Alps) and France was named Trans-Alpine Gaul (Land the Celts on the other side of the Alps).

In 390 B.C. the Celts managed to capture and sack Rome itself.

Thus, while the Latins and the Celts were two different ethnological groups, it is very likely that, after 390 B.C., many a Roman family may have had Celtic genes floating through the family tree whether they liked it or not. :-)

As an aside, many classical writers reported that typical Celts were tall and muscular with blue eyes and blonde hair but some, like Boudicca, the warrior-queen who led the anti-Roman revolt by the British tribes had red hair.

THE CELTS SACK ROME

[skraeling]

>Although the Romans were not themselves Celts,

The just who were the Romans? Where did they come from?

> it must be remembered that the Celts had conquered northern Italy and presented a constant danger to Rome.

Much of the history of Europe is Celts fighting Celts. Not much different than todays Irish fighting todays Irish, but long ago. Authors have gone to great pains to identify different groups appearing from nowhere who in fact appear to be just different Celtic Tribes.

[maro]

That's crap. Most South African blacks immigrated into the country, in search of the BETTER life available in the South Africa that the Boers had carved out of the veldt.

[Polybius]

Thank you for the explanation and the referrals.

I can see where you might assume who your ancestors are even thought you probably don't have an actual genealogy chart. Could there also have been other blue eyed blond Celts from other Celtic tribes who passed through the area? Or could it come from a traveling Jew? The Bible refers to David as "ruddy and fair",

With the Celts now firmly traced to Central Turkey (NYTimes 12/25/01) in great numbers at least as far back as 300BC, and elsewhere in the region south of the Caspian Sea even earlier, maybe all the evidence isn't in yet?

A good little book to keep track of who was moving where and when in ancient history is "The Penguin Atlas of Ancient History" published by Penguin Classics (the folk who publish the classical works in inexpensive paperback editions.) The Penguin Atlas has it's maps arranged by centuries and shaded to indicated which peoples lived in what areas at a given time.

In regards to the Celtic world, they shared a common language and culture and spread over vast areas but were divided into many small tribes within relatively short distances. The area of Galicia and Asturias in Spain consisted of one of the oldest areas of continuous Celtic settlemnet dating back to before 1000 B.C.

Protected by the sea to the north and west and by the Cantabrian mountains to the south, they remained a relatively pure Celtic culture until the 19 B.C. Roman conquest. Even afterwards, their ornery nature and mountain fighting skills ensured that subsequent invaders such as the Goths and Moors left Galicia and Asturias alone. As a result, ethnographically, it remained an isolated preserve such as northern Scotland and southern Ireland while waves of invaders swept through the rest of Europe changing the ethnography of areas such as Germany and France from century to century.

See the "Celts in Spain" section here for a brif general description.

The Celts in Turkey were holdovers of the Celtic kingdom set up there by the Celtic invasion of Greece and Turkey during Hellenistic times. The famous statue "The Dying Gaul" from the city-state of Pergamon dates from Pergamon's battles with the Celts during this period .

What is fascinating about the Celtic culture is that customs such as the wearing of the Celtic torques (the gold heavy collar worn around the neck as seen on the Dying Gaul) were retained by Celtic tribes as separated by time and distance as were the Celts from Galicia in Spain and the Celts in Galatia in Turkey.

Celtic torque from Galicia, Spain

[LostTribe]

>Authors have gone to great pains to identify different groups appearing from nowhere who in fact appear to be just different Celtic Tribes.

You are on the right track. Examine the population numbers and dates in the "2-Minute History" at my Profile, then run your own projections. The Celts are no mere footnote in European history. And they are not just scruffy tribes found today in Ireland, Wales, Cornwall and Brittainy. They were and are major players.

[skraeling]

Thank You.

>Protected by the sea to the north and west and by the Cantabrian mountains to the south, they remained a relatively pure Celtic culture until the 19 B.C. Roman conquest.

How do these Celts fit in with the Basque, just a bit to the East? I used to suspect the Basque were Celts, but I think they have been there too long to make the dates fit.