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[Poohbah]

Nothing. My statement was posted in response to Kammler's sniveling about censorship and merely consisted of standard lecture to newbies (SLTN #3, Revision A, to be precise) about how this is JimRob's site, and JimRob will cheerfully censor material he doesn't want on FR.

[jsraggmann]

The Spec-Ops troops are almost 100% white. They are 100% men.

[wardaddy]

I know. I always bristle when liberals whine that the American military uses minorities as fodder. They never have, it is an urban myth. LBJ yanked blacks out of the comabt theatre in Nam when they started getting killed disproportionately.

[Goetz_von_Berlichingen]

" . . . was Rome more willing to eventually accept a civilized blonde, blue-eyed Celt as a Roman citizen on equal footing with a brown-eyed, black haired Latin . . ."

With apologies for straying off topic . . .
I had read that the original Romans were, in fact, Celtic or something very close. The Divine Julius, for example, is supposed to have had red hair.

[LostTribe]

>I had read that the original Romans were, in fact, Celtic or something very close. The Divine Julius, for example, is supposed to have had red hair.

Very close is pretty close indeed. Recent analysis of those Assyrian Tablets in the British Museum has opened up a whole new source of information, making a whole lot of history texts obsolete and leaving many copycat authors sucking air.

For more info on how the players relate, please click on my Profile.

[wardaddy]

Honeypie, the Oppenheimers are only one of many examples of very prominent SA Jews. Ironically how do you suppose the Oppenheimers got their wealth?...look it up and educate yourself.

Here's another question for you: Where were the world's first known "concetration camps"? I'll help you. Go to Google.Com and write in Boer War Concentration Camps and hit the search button. The world is full of irony and sometimes the truth defies conventional wisdom...trust me.

Warm Regards.

[Goetz_von_Berlichingen]

Alternative history is always fun, but I think it may be incorrect to assume an inevitable strife between Indian tribes and White settlers. In the absence of massive immigration, there would be no practical need for White expansionism, hence no need to displace the indigenous peoples. Since each Indian tribe was essentially its own "state" there would arise inevitable alliances between communities of the two races, with likely matrimonial connexions among the ruling classes.

Also, Indians owned Negro slaves just as the Whites did. If you posit a slave revolt, then you have just pushed the Indian and White defenders of the status quo into an even closer alliance. And I doubt that any rebelling slaves would have had the necessary tribal cohesion to take on the armed might of organised Indian and White communities.

[SauronOfMordor]

One other factor is that blacks of other than African decent do not share the same limiting employment and advancement problems as African-Americans..why ?

Are you talking about non-US Blacks (like Jamaicans, Haitians, etc)?

The Jamaicans who immigrate to the US tend to be more successful than American Blacks. Possibly that's due to the Jamaican culture being different. Maybe due to genetic differences. I did find out a while back that Jamaicans are to a large extent Black/Irish mix (Cromwell shipped a few thousand troublesome Irish to Jamaica as slaves in the late 1600's (see Catholic Encyclopedia entry))

[cascademountaineer]

Please do us all and spare us the commentary dear.

Your are in no way to make ethical or moral judgements by any means whatsoever.

If anything the similarities between the two circumstances are so close as to be assymetrical.

For you to make a judgement is to condemn yourself.

If you wish to continue, be prepared to do a lengthy self evaluation of everything you have posted. For it is ridiculous beyond belief.

[Polybius]

I had read that the original Romans were, in fact, Celtic or something very close. The Divine Julius, for example, is supposed to have had red hair.

Although the Romans were not themselves Celts, it must be remembered that the Celts had conquered northern Italy and presented a constant danger to Rome. Northern Italy, in fact, was named Cis-Alpine Gaul (Land the Celts this side of the Alps) and France was named Trans-Alpine Gaul (Land the Celts on the other side of the Alps).

In 390 B.C. the Celts managed to capture and sack Rome itself.

Thus, while the Latins and the Celts were two different ethnological groups, it is very likely that, after 390 B.C., many a Roman family may have had Celtic genes floating through the family tree whether they liked it or not. :-)

As an aside, many classical writers reported that typical Celts were tall and muscular with blue eyes and blonde hair but some, like Boudicca, the warrior-queen who led the anti-Roman revolt by the British tribes had red hair.

THE CELTS SACK ROME

[skraeling]

>Although the Romans were not themselves Celts,

The just who were the Romans? Where did they come from?

> it must be remembered that the Celts had conquered northern Italy and presented a constant danger to Rome.

Much of the history of Europe is Celts fighting Celts. Not much different than todays Irish fighting todays Irish, but long ago. Authors have gone to great pains to identify different groups appearing from nowhere who in fact appear to be just different Celtic Tribes.

[maro]

That's crap. Most South African blacks immigrated into the country, in search of the BETTER life available in the South Africa that the Boers had carved out of the veldt.

[Polybius]

Thank you for the explanation and the referrals.

I can see where you might assume who your ancestors are even thought you probably don't have an actual genealogy chart. Could there also have been other blue eyed blond Celts from other Celtic tribes who passed through the area? Or could it come from a traveling Jew? The Bible refers to David as "ruddy and fair",

With the Celts now firmly traced to Central Turkey (NYTimes 12/25/01) in great numbers at least as far back as 300BC, and elsewhere in the region south of the Caspian Sea even earlier, maybe all the evidence isn't in yet?

A good little book to keep track of who was moving where and when in ancient history is "The Penguin Atlas of Ancient History" published by Penguin Classics (the folk who publish the classical works in inexpensive paperback editions.) The Penguin Atlas has it's maps arranged by centuries and shaded to indicated which peoples lived in what areas at a given time.

In regards to the Celtic world, they shared a common language and culture and spread over vast areas but were divided into many small tribes within relatively short distances. The area of Galicia and Asturias in Spain consisted of one of the oldest areas of continuous Celtic settlemnet dating back to before 1000 B.C.

Protected by the sea to the north and west and by the Cantabrian mountains to the south, they remained a relatively pure Celtic culture until the 19 B.C. Roman conquest. Even afterwards, their ornery nature and mountain fighting skills ensured that subsequent invaders such as the Goths and Moors left Galicia and Asturias alone. As a result, ethnographically, it remained an isolated preserve such as northern Scotland and southern Ireland while waves of invaders swept through the rest of Europe changing the ethnography of areas such as Germany and France from century to century.

See the "Celts in Spain" section here for a brif general description.

The Celts in Turkey were holdovers of the Celtic kingdom set up there by the Celtic invasion of Greece and Turkey during Hellenistic times. The famous statue "The Dying Gaul" from the city-state of Pergamon dates from Pergamon's battles with the Celts during this period .

What is fascinating about the Celtic culture is that customs such as the wearing of the Celtic torques (the gold heavy collar worn around the neck as seen on the Dying Gaul) were retained by Celtic tribes as separated by time and distance as were the Celts from Galicia in Spain and the Celts in Galatia in Turkey.

Celtic torque from Galicia, Spain

[LostTribe]

>Authors have gone to great pains to identify different groups appearing from nowhere who in fact appear to be just different Celtic Tribes.

You are on the right track. Examine the population numbers and dates in the "2-Minute History" at my Profile, then run your own projections. The Celts are no mere footnote in European history. And they are not just scruffy tribes found today in Ireland, Wales, Cornwall and Brittainy. They were and are major players.

[skraeling]

Thank You.

>Protected by the sea to the north and west and by the Cantabrian mountains to the south, they remained a relatively pure Celtic culture until the 19 B.C. Roman conquest.

How do these Celts fit in with the Basque, just a bit to the East? I used to suspect the Basque were Celts, but I think they have been there too long to make the dates fit.