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A Warning for Americans: A Message from a South African
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Posted on 03/10/2002 2:21:18 AM PST by Jakarta ex-pat

People used to say that South Africa was 20 years behind the rest of the Western world. Television, for example, came late to South Africa (but so did pornography and the gay rights movement).

Today, however, South Africa may be the grim model of the future Western world, for events in America reveals trends chillingly similar to those that destroyed our country.

America's structures are of "Western Culture". Your Congress, your lobbying groups, your free speech, and the way ordinary Americans either get involved or ignore politics are peculiarly your "Western Culture", not the way most of the world operates. But the fact that only about a third of Americans deem it important to vote is horrifying in light of how close you are to losing your Western character.

Writing letters to the press, manning stands at county fairs, hosting fund-raising dinners, attending rallies, setting up conferences, writing your Congressman -- that is what you know, and what you are comfortable with. Those are the political methods you've created for yourselves to keep your country on track and to ensure political accountability,with freedom and justice for all.

But woe to you if -- or more likely, when -- the rules change. Americans may soon find themselves unable or unwilling to stand up to challenge the new political methods that will be the inevitable result of the ethnic metamorphosis now taking place in America. Unable to cope with the new rules of the game -- violence, mob riots, intimidation through accusations of racism, demands for proportionality based on racial numbers, and all the other social and political weapons used by the have-nots to bludgeon treasure and power from the haves -- Americans, like others before them, will no doubt cave in. They will compromise away their independence and ultimately their way of life.

That is exactly what happened in South Africa. I know, because I was there and I saw it happen.

Faced with revolution in the streets, strikes, civil unrest and the sheer terror and murder practiced by Nelson Mandela's African National Congress (ANC), the white government simply capitulated in order to achieve "peace."Westerners need peace. They need order and stability. They are builders and planners. But what we got was peace of the grave for our society.

The Third World is different -- different peoples with different pasts and different cultures. Yet Westerners continue to mistake the psychology of the Third World and its peoples. Sierra Leone and Zimbabwe are perfect examples of those mistakes. Sierra Leone is in perpetual civil war, and Zimbabwe -- once thriving, stable Rhodesia -- is looting the very people who feed the country. Yet Westerners do not admit that the same kind of savagery could come to America when enough immigrants of the right type assert themselves. The fact is, Americans are sitting ducks for Third World exploitation of the Western conscience of compassion.

Those in the West who forced South Africa to surrender to the ANC and its leaders did not consider Africa to be the dangerous, corrupt, and savage place it is now in Zimbabwe and South Africa. Those Western politicians now have a similar problem on their own doorsteps: the demand for power and treasure from the non-Western peoples inside the realm.

It is already too late for South Africa, but not for America if enough people strengthen their spine and take on the race terrorists, the armies of the "politically correct" and, most dangerous of all, the craven politicians who believe "compassionate conservatism" will buy them a few more votes, a few more days of peace.

South Africans, you should remember, have been in that part of Africa for the same amount of time whites have inhabited North America; yet ultimately South Africans voted for their own suicide. We are not so very different from you.

We lost our country through skillful propaganda, pressure from abroad ,Great Britan the UN (not least from the U.S.A.), with unrelenting charges of "oppression" and "racism," and the shrewd assessment by African tyrants that the white man has many Achilles' heels, the most significant of which are his compassion, his belief in the "equality of man," and his "love your neighbor" philosophy -- none of which are part of the Third World's history.

The mainline churches played a big role in the demise of Western influence throughout Africa, too; especially in South Africa. Today's tyrants were yesterday's mission-school proteges. Many dictators in Africa were men of the cloth. They knew their clerical collars would deflect criticism and obsfucate their real aims, which had nothing whatever to do with the "brotherhood of man."

Other tyrants, like the infamous Idi Amin, were trained and schooled by the whites themselves, at Oxford, Cambridge, and Harvard. After receiving the best from the West, they unleashed a resentful bloodlust against their benefactors.

From what I have seen and read thus far, I fear Americans will capitulate just as we did. Americans are, generally, a "compassionate" lot. They don't want to quarrel or obstruct the claims of those who believe they were wronged. They like peace and quiet, and they want to compromise and be nice.

A television program aired in South Africa showed a town meeting in Southern California where people met to complain about falling standards in the schools. Many who politely spoke at the meeting clearly resented the influx of Mexican immigrants into their community. When a handful of Chicanos at the back of the hall shouted and waved their hands at them, the "compassionate" simply shrunk back into their seats rather than tell the noisemakers to shut up. They didn't want to quarrel.

In America, the courts are still the final arbiters of society's laws. But what will happen when your future majority refuses to abide by court rulings -- as in Zimbabwe? What will happen when the courts are filled with their people, or their sympathizers? In California, Proposition 187 has already been overturned.

What will you do when the future nonwhite majority decides to change the names of streets and cities? What will you do when they no longer want to use money that carries the portraits of old, dead white "racists" and slave owners? Will you cave in, like you did on flying the Confederate flag? What about the national anthem? Your official language?

Don't laugh. When the "majority" took over in South Africa, the first targets were our national symbols.

In another generation, America may well face what Africa is now experiencing -- invasions of private land by the "have-nots;" the decline in health care quality; roads and buildings in disrepair; the banishment of your history from the education of the young; the revolutionization of your justice system.

In South Africa today, only 9 percent of murders end up in jail. Court dockets are regularly purchased and simply disappear. Magistrates can be bribed as can the prison authorities, making escapes commonplace. Vehicle and airplane licenses are regularly purchased, and forged school and university certificates are routine.

What would you think of the ritual slaughter of animals in your neighbor's backyard? How do you clean up the blood and entrails that litter your suburban streets? How do you feel about the practice of witchcraft, in which the parts of young girls and boys are needed for "medicinal" purposes? How do you react to the burning of witches?

Don't laugh. All that is quite common in South Africa today.

Don't imagine that government officials caught with their fingers in the till will be punished. Excuses -- like the need to overcome generations of white racism -- will be found to exonerate the guilty.

In fact, known criminals will be voted into office because of a racial solidarity among the majority that doesn't exist among the whites. When Ian Smith of the old Rhodesia tried to stand up to the world, white South African politicians were among the Westerners pressuring him to surrender.

When Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe murders his political opponents, ignores unfavorable court decisions, terrorizes the population and siphons off millions from the state treasury for himself and his friend, South Africa's new President Thabo Mbeki holds his hand and declares his support. That just happened a few weeks ago.

Your tax dollars will go to those who don't earn and don't pay. In South Africa, organizations that used to have access to state funds such as old age homes, the arts, and veterans' services, are simply abandoned.

What will happen is that Western structures in America will be either destroyed from without, or transformed from within, used to suit the goals of the new rulers. And they will reign either through terror, as in Zimbabwe today, or exert other corrupt pressures to obtain, or buy votes. Once power is in the hands of aliens, don't expect loyalty or devotion to principle from those whose jobs are at stake. One of the most surprising and tragic components of the disaster in South Africa is how many previously anti-ANC whites simply moved to the other side.

Once you lose social, cultural, and political dominance, there is no getting it back again.

Unfortunately, your habits and values work against you. You cannot fight terror and street mobs with letters to your Congressmen. You cannot fight accusations of racism with prayer meetings. You cannot appeal to the goodness of your fellow man when the fellow man despises you for your weakness and hacks off the arms and legs of his political opponents.To survive, Americans must never lose the power they now enjoy to people from alien cultures. Above all, don't put yourselves to the test of fighting only when your backs are against the wall. You will probably fail.

Millions around the world want your good life. But make no mistake: They care not for the high-minded ideals of Jefferson and Washington, and your Constitution or Bill of Rights. What they want are your possessions, your power, and your status.

And they already know that their allies among you, the "human rights activists," the skillful lawyers and the left-wing politicians will fight for them, and not for you. They will exploit your compassion and your Christian charity, and your good will.

They have studied you, Mr. and Mrs. America, and they know your weaknesses well.

They know what to do.

Do you?


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To: Karl Kammler
It's not that hard to "fill in the blanks," as you insist on doing so. You equated the efficacy of equal treatment before the law (which has NOT been tried yet--we either had Jim Crow or affirmative action, neither of which embodies equal treatment before the law) to that of a massive government-run health care system.

I don't worry about your future antics on FR, as they will no doubt be extremely brief in this incarnation.

141 posted on 03/11/2002 6:34:00 AM PST by Poohbah
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To: skraeling
Here are more specific tribe names to tag unto the general term "Germani".

As I noted before, Celts had occupied portions of what is now Germany but had been pushed West by “Germanic” tribes. Confusion comes when new tribes (the Germanic tribes) are given the name of older tribes (the Germani). For a short synopsis, here is how the Encyclopaedia Britannica sums it up:

There is some obscurity concerning the origin of the name Germani. It appears to be a Gaulish (Celtic) term and there is no evidence it was ever used by the Germans themselves. Caesar records that four Belgic tribes, namely, the Condrusi, Eburones, Caeraesi and Paemani were collectively know as the Germani. These tribe were all linguistically Celtic and it is the prevailing opinion that they were not of German origin ethnologically but came from over the Rhine.The name Germani originally denoted certain Celtic tribes to the east of the Rhine and was then transferred to the Teutonic tribes which subsequently occupied the same territory.

There is little doubt that, during the last Century before the Christian era, , the Celtic people had been pushed considerably west by the Teutonic peoples, a process which was still going on in Caesar’s time.

By the Fall of the Roman Empire, the Gothic tribes comprised still another invasion from the North and East into “Germany”. However, they again inherited the name “Germans” just as the Teutons before them had.

142 posted on 03/11/2002 6:54:22 AM PST by Polybius
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To: Polybius
Thank you for the explanation and the referrals.

I can see where you might assume who your ancestors are even thought you probably don't have an actual genealogy chart. Could there also have been other blue eyed blond Celts from other Celtic tribes who passed through the area? Or could it come from a traveling Jew? The Bible refers to David as "ruddy and fair", which might work. Other Jews are similarly described as "fair", not at all fitting a contemporary stereotype, but looking more like Joseph Lieberman.

I've always had trouble with the classical view that the Goths, even the Celts originated in central or northern europe and spread outward. While that is what many authors say, each one copying the prior, it all seems a little too pat, and really lacking convincing (to me) evidence. Seems like lots of huffing and puffing based on precious little fact

With the Celts now firmly traced to Central Turkey (NYTimes 12/25/01) in great numbers at least as far back as 300BC, and elsewhere in the region south of the Caspian Sea even earlier, maybe all the evidence isn't in yet?

146 posted on 03/11/2002 8:10:04 AM PST by skraeling
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To: Polybius
Oh, as a PS to the Goth reference from AD, it's fascinating that while some assume they come from Scandinavia, the Scandinavians trace their lineage back to Turkey, and to North of the Black Sea, long BC.

The reference site notes:

"According to their own traditions, the Goths originated in a land called 'Gothiscandza', identified as southern Scandinavia. ...... Unfortunately, there is no archaeological evidence to support the legend. "

147 posted on 03/11/2002 8:19:43 AM PST by skraeling
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To: Thorn11cav
"....IQs in the 70-85 range, which turns into a problem in a technological world". Whew...that's a pretty heavy statement, could you direct me to some proof ?

Take a look at "The Bell Curve" by Herrnstein and Murray. One the Web we have a bunch of things discussing the issue which you can get yourself by doing a google search for '+African +IQ +70'

Some stuff that comes up includes this, and a paper by Prof Richard Lynn is available on the University of Liverpool site, plus a copy of paper published in Canadian Journal of Experimental Psychology

In that google search you get some papers disputing the assertion and calling Lynn, Herrnstein, Murray, Rushton, etc all sorts of names, but I did not find any disputers offering any contradicting research studies. This is not a subject that a timid researcher tends to approach, for obvious reasons

148 posted on 03/11/2002 9:47:19 AM PST by SauronOfMordor
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To: LadyDoc
Hell often arrives on the wheels of good intentions. Do you really think SA is in total better off now? I'm familiar with the country myself personally.

Rhodesia is obviously not better off by any perspective.

149 posted on 03/11/2002 9:51:20 AM PST by wardaddy
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To: xm177e2
You might enjoy reading the history of Portugal, and reviewing how it changed from a nation of explorers and innovators into what it is today - one of the "poor men" of Europe.

Most instructive...and I wouldn't dream of spoiling it for you be giving away the story.

150 posted on 03/11/2002 9:52:08 AM PST by neutrino
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To: LadyDoc
Those liberal Brits you mention are the very ones who did the most capitulating in the name of good intentions....there are also the ones most likely to flee now.
151 posted on 03/11/2002 9:53:38 AM PST by wardaddy
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To: robnoel
Amen Rob!!!!
152 posted on 03/11/2002 9:57:48 AM PST by wardaddy
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To: LadyDoc
If the US Army is indeed 30-40% black...why have I not seen one black US special forces soldier face on the news announcing the fact he has been killed in action?
153 posted on 03/11/2002 9:59:55 AM PST by wardaddy
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To: sunnshine2
Funny you should mention Jews....some of the wealthiest folks SA has ever produced are Jews.
154 posted on 03/11/2002 10:01:37 AM PST by wardaddy
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To: sunnshine2
You are simply naive and wrong....plus ill informed.
155 posted on 03/11/2002 10:03:23 AM PST by wardaddy
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To: rdb3
No you're not all alike but the disproportionate numbers speak for themselves both here and abroad. The only "Black" nation I know of that functions well is Bermuda ..for obvious reasons....lot's of off shore money and low population demands and a heavy Brit infrastructure influence. The Caymans and a few of the Windwards probably qualify as well for the same reasons but the Caymans are not exactly black...more mulatto. I've lived in West Africa, Haiti, and was raised and currently live in the American South...the picture aside from the nice exceptions you mention is comparable throughout the world. The problem is virtually the same all over the world as well...serial illegitimacy and even serial polygamy outside the US. Those two cultural anomalies in the worldwide black community have created more harm to the social and economic evolution of the black race far more than colonization or Jim Crow.

Respectfully.

156 posted on 03/11/2002 10:16:36 AM PST by wardaddy
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To: sunnshine2
"South Africa is an example of what would have happened here without immigration."

Not necessarily. I think South America would be a better example. We may have had a less dynamic economic development, but I doubt we would still be witnessing bloodthirsty tribal warfare. Many of the American Indians on the east coast were well on their way to full assimilation into the Euro-American community by the time of the War of Independence. The Mohawks, for example.

157 posted on 03/11/2002 10:18:04 AM PST by Goetz_von_Berlichingen
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To: xm177e2
You ignore fact in favor of highmindedness and then hurl the race invectives against anyone who disagrees. I had a FReepmail correspondence with a prominant black FReeper just a few days ago who admonished me that blacks would only prevail from themselves and the best thing whites could do would be to shed this guilt baggage and be willing to state the truth. I plan to heed his advice.
158 posted on 03/11/2002 10:20:51 AM PST by wardaddy
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To: PaulKersey
LOL...good one!
159 posted on 03/11/2002 10:26:47 AM PST by wardaddy
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To: Poohbah
With all due respect Poo, what was racist about #98?
160 posted on 03/11/2002 10:28:24 AM PST by wardaddy
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