Posted on 03/10/2002 2:21:18 AM PST by Jakarta ex-pat
People used to say that South Africa was 20 years behind the rest of the Western world. Television, for example, came late to South Africa (but so did pornography and the gay rights movement).
Today, however, South Africa may be the grim model of the future Western world, for events in America reveals trends chillingly similar to those that destroyed our country.
America's structures are of "Western Culture". Your Congress, your lobbying groups, your free speech, and the way ordinary Americans either get involved or ignore politics are peculiarly your "Western Culture", not the way most of the world operates. But the fact that only about a third of Americans deem it important to vote is horrifying in light of how close you are to losing your Western character.
Writing letters to the press, manning stands at county fairs, hosting fund-raising dinners, attending rallies, setting up conferences, writing your Congressman -- that is what you know, and what you are comfortable with. Those are the political methods you've created for yourselves to keep your country on track and to ensure political accountability,with freedom and justice for all.
But woe to you if -- or more likely, when -- the rules change. Americans may soon find themselves unable or unwilling to stand up to challenge the new political methods that will be the inevitable result of the ethnic metamorphosis now taking place in America. Unable to cope with the new rules of the game -- violence, mob riots, intimidation through accusations of racism, demands for proportionality based on racial numbers, and all the other social and political weapons used by the have-nots to bludgeon treasure and power from the haves -- Americans, like others before them, will no doubt cave in. They will compromise away their independence and ultimately their way of life.
That is exactly what happened in South Africa. I know, because I was there and I saw it happen.
Faced with revolution in the streets, strikes, civil unrest and the sheer terror and murder practiced by Nelson Mandela's African National Congress (ANC), the white government simply capitulated in order to achieve "peace."Westerners need peace. They need order and stability. They are builders and planners. But what we got was peace of the grave for our society.
The Third World is different -- different peoples with different pasts and different cultures. Yet Westerners continue to mistake the psychology of the Third World and its peoples. Sierra Leone and Zimbabwe are perfect examples of those mistakes. Sierra Leone is in perpetual civil war, and Zimbabwe -- once thriving, stable Rhodesia -- is looting the very people who feed the country. Yet Westerners do not admit that the same kind of savagery could come to America when enough immigrants of the right type assert themselves. The fact is, Americans are sitting ducks for Third World exploitation of the Western conscience of compassion.
Those in the West who forced South Africa to surrender to the ANC and its leaders did not consider Africa to be the dangerous, corrupt, and savage place it is now in Zimbabwe and South Africa. Those Western politicians now have a similar problem on their own doorsteps: the demand for power and treasure from the non-Western peoples inside the realm.
It is already too late for South Africa, but not for America if enough people strengthen their spine and take on the race terrorists, the armies of the "politically correct" and, most dangerous of all, the craven politicians who believe "compassionate conservatism" will buy them a few more votes, a few more days of peace.
South Africans, you should remember, have been in that part of Africa for the same amount of time whites have inhabited North America; yet ultimately South Africans voted for their own suicide. We are not so very different from you.
We lost our country through skillful propaganda, pressure from abroad ,Great Britan the UN (not least from the U.S.A.), with unrelenting charges of "oppression" and "racism," and the shrewd assessment by African tyrants that the white man has many Achilles' heels, the most significant of which are his compassion, his belief in the "equality of man," and his "love your neighbor" philosophy -- none of which are part of the Third World's history.
The mainline churches played a big role in the demise of Western influence throughout Africa, too; especially in South Africa. Today's tyrants were yesterday's mission-school proteges. Many dictators in Africa were men of the cloth. They knew their clerical collars would deflect criticism and obsfucate their real aims, which had nothing whatever to do with the "brotherhood of man."
Other tyrants, like the infamous Idi Amin, were trained and schooled by the whites themselves, at Oxford, Cambridge, and Harvard. After receiving the best from the West, they unleashed a resentful bloodlust against their benefactors.
From what I have seen and read thus far, I fear Americans will capitulate just as we did. Americans are, generally, a "compassionate" lot. They don't want to quarrel or obstruct the claims of those who believe they were wronged. They like peace and quiet, and they want to compromise and be nice.
A television program aired in South Africa showed a town meeting in Southern California where people met to complain about falling standards in the schools. Many who politely spoke at the meeting clearly resented the influx of Mexican immigrants into their community. When a handful of Chicanos at the back of the hall shouted and waved their hands at them, the "compassionate" simply shrunk back into their seats rather than tell the noisemakers to shut up. They didn't want to quarrel.
In America, the courts are still the final arbiters of society's laws. But what will happen when your future majority refuses to abide by court rulings -- as in Zimbabwe? What will happen when the courts are filled with their people, or their sympathizers? In California, Proposition 187 has already been overturned.
What will you do when the future nonwhite majority decides to change the names of streets and cities? What will you do when they no longer want to use money that carries the portraits of old, dead white "racists" and slave owners? Will you cave in, like you did on flying the Confederate flag? What about the national anthem? Your official language?
Don't laugh. When the "majority" took over in South Africa, the first targets were our national symbols.
In another generation, America may well face what Africa is now experiencing -- invasions of private land by the "have-nots;" the decline in health care quality; roads and buildings in disrepair; the banishment of your history from the education of the young; the revolutionization of your justice system.
In South Africa today, only 9 percent of murders end up in jail. Court dockets are regularly purchased and simply disappear. Magistrates can be bribed as can the prison authorities, making escapes commonplace. Vehicle and airplane licenses are regularly purchased, and forged school and university certificates are routine.
What would you think of the ritual slaughter of animals in your neighbor's backyard? How do you clean up the blood and entrails that litter your suburban streets? How do you feel about the practice of witchcraft, in which the parts of young girls and boys are needed for "medicinal" purposes? How do you react to the burning of witches?
Don't laugh. All that is quite common in South Africa today.
Don't imagine that government officials caught with their fingers in the till will be punished. Excuses -- like the need to overcome generations of white racism -- will be found to exonerate the guilty.
In fact, known criminals will be voted into office because of a racial solidarity among the majority that doesn't exist among the whites. When Ian Smith of the old Rhodesia tried to stand up to the world, white South African politicians were among the Westerners pressuring him to surrender.
When Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe murders his political opponents, ignores unfavorable court decisions, terrorizes the population and siphons off millions from the state treasury for himself and his friend, South Africa's new President Thabo Mbeki holds his hand and declares his support. That just happened a few weeks ago.
Your tax dollars will go to those who don't earn and don't pay. In South Africa, organizations that used to have access to state funds such as old age homes, the arts, and veterans' services, are simply abandoned.
What will happen is that Western structures in America will be either destroyed from without, or transformed from within, used to suit the goals of the new rulers. And they will reign either through terror, as in Zimbabwe today, or exert other corrupt pressures to obtain, or buy votes. Once power is in the hands of aliens, don't expect loyalty or devotion to principle from those whose jobs are at stake. One of the most surprising and tragic components of the disaster in South Africa is how many previously anti-ANC whites simply moved to the other side.
Once you lose social, cultural, and political dominance, there is no getting it back again.
Unfortunately, your habits and values work against you. You cannot fight terror and street mobs with letters to your Congressmen. You cannot fight accusations of racism with prayer meetings. You cannot appeal to the goodness of your fellow man when the fellow man despises you for your weakness and hacks off the arms and legs of his political opponents.To survive, Americans must never lose the power they now enjoy to people from alien cultures. Above all, don't put yourselves to the test of fighting only when your backs are against the wall. You will probably fail.
Millions around the world want your good life. But make no mistake: They care not for the high-minded ideals of Jefferson and Washington, and your Constitution or Bill of Rights. What they want are your possessions, your power, and your status.
And they already know that their allies among you, the "human rights activists," the skillful lawyers and the left-wing politicians will fight for them, and not for you. They will exploit your compassion and your Christian charity, and your good will.
They have studied you, Mr. and Mrs. America, and they know your weaknesses well.
They know what to do.
Do you?
I didn't say I wanted it to be deleted, I said I thought it was going to happen. I haven't hit the abuse button yet, and I almost never do. I figure if something like this is offensive, other people will ask the moderators to yank it. I think I've only hit the abuse button about three times, and one of them was in response to a post which hinted about shooting a public official... If I was so offended by these threads, I wouldn't come here in the first place.
I'm not in the same spirit as you are on this matter. Those are completely different, trust me. And since blacks have not been at the helm of the bureaucracies that disseminate welfare, how could they "take it over?"
Now that's "grade school logic."
Parasitic? Okay. I get it. Nevermind.
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That's right out of the backwoods of academic nonsense. It was the Romans who fed Christians to the lions, but that was not savage? It was the Romans who pitted Gladiators against each other for sport, but that was not savage? It was the Romans who wrote the history from which you develop this nonesense. The Celts were no more savage than the times.
What a pile of BS. What musty old book are you clipping that from? The Celts untimately kicked the Romans a$$, and that was the end of that tyranny. You don't even know who the Celts are, which is what makes your post so laughable.
When it comes to ancient history in general and Celtic ancient history in particular, DensaMensa, you seem rather uneducated.
Roman history is one of my hobbies and I have a special interest in the Celts since I am a direct descendant of the Celts of Galicia in Northwest Spain. The reason that I am a blonde and blue-eyed "Hispanic" is that, behind the Cantabrian Mountains, my Celtic ancestors, in their hill-top fortresses, were the last Celts to remain unconquered on the European Continent until the Cantabrian Wars that last from 26 B.C. to 19 B.C. They had to be conquered by Augustus' best General, Agrippa. After that, they were not conquered by the Visigoths, or by the Suevi or by the Moorish invaders of Spain.
If you know of any other Celtic tribe on the Continent that remained unconquered after the Cantabrian War, please enlighten us because historians don't know of any.
If you are referring to the Germanic invasions of the Visigoths, Vandals, Suevi, et al, at the time of the Fall of Rome, they were not Celts.
If you are referring to Hadrian's decision not to complete the conquest of the Picts in Scotland, that hardly qualifies as "kicking the Roman's @ss".
"Savages" is not a Roman term. It is an American idiom that has been used historically in American history to refer to those cultures that are not "civilized". In the 1800's, "Indian savages" was the common expression. In Roman times, the equivalent term would have been the Greek term "Barbarian".
What aspect of ancient Celtic history would you like to debate with me, DensaMensa?
The Urn-field Celts, the Halstatt Celts, the Celtic invasions of Greece and Anatolia, the Celtiberians in central Spain, the Castro culture in northwest Spain, the battle tactics of Vercingetorix or Boadicea, Celtic cultural practices from torques to battle customs to head trophies?
The question, DensaMensa, is do you know who the Celts were and do you know their ancient history? Do you think that "Celts" is merely a synonym for "Irish" or the name of a basketball team? Do you have them confused with the Germans? Do you know anything about ancient history other than what you have seen in Hollywood movies?
Yes, that's why I said I don't hit the abuse button on threads like these...
You've said more than a mouthful, my friend.
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As you can see from Post #127, I come from a long line of "savages" myself who were not "civilized" until 19 B.C.
A century later, the Legionnaires of the Roman Legion, Legio IX Hispana, stationed in Galicia, moved on to Britannia to conquer the "savages" there.
In the broad scope of History, we were all "savages" not too very long ago. Some us just got conquered and "civilized" sooner than others. Sort of like a Freeper "Member since" date. ;-)
>I have a special interest in the Celts since I am a direct descendant of the Celts of Galicia in Northwest Spain. The reason that I am a blonde and blue-eyed "Hispanic" is that, behind the Cantabrian Mountains, my Celtic ancestors, ...
I don't doubt what you say is true, but I'm a bit troubled by your cock-surety about it all. If you had said "I think..." I would be more inclined to trust what you say. Do you have a real complete and honest genealogical trail you can share, or is this all just supposition and imaginative history based on guessing, your blue eyes, and some sort of identity theology?
>If you are referring to the Germanic invasions of the Visigoths, Vandals, Suevi, et al, at the time of the Fall of Rome, they were not Celts.
Hmmm... Then who were they? I thought the Germani Tribe, after whom Germany was named but is not currently occupied was a Celtic Tribe?
>"Savages" is not a Roman term. It is an American idiom that has been used historically in American history to refer to those cultures that are not "civilized". In the 1800's, "Indian savages" was the common expression. In Roman times, the equivalent term would have been the Greek term "Barbarian".
I think Densa Mensa was indicating that the Roman behaviour in the Forum and perhaps elsewhere was far was civilized, and since they and the Greeks wrote much of the His-Story of the time, it is suspect. Is that in error?
Thanks.
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You know, that's the God's honest truth. The problem you have here is that most think that they were always civilized, as if they have a monopoly on it or something.
But the more I think about it, I'm not going to address this anymore. They are irrelevant to this world in general, and a pox on the American ideal in particular. Let them think what they will. They'll get over themselves sooner or later.
As much as we value the right to vote, why do we have a problem getting twenty five percent of the elegible voters to vote? What most people really want is stability and safety first and freedom and opportunity second. (I'll probably get flamed for that statement, but think about it. Are we not giving up many freedoms for more safety now?)With all its faults, and you have to start somewhere, whites created a level of stability and safety that the Blacks had never known before.
I have said it before and I'll say it again, If the white man did to the Blacks In Africa what they did to the Indians in America, S.A. would be as prosperous as we are today. Does anyone really believe the American Indians would have full voting rights today if they were a ninety percent majorty? That is what S.A. was faced with.
As far as geneology, my blonde, blue-eyed great-grandfather left Ribadeo, Galicia in the 1880's for Cuba when, as the second born of a family of minor nobility, the first born inherited the bulk of the family wealth. My grandfather still owned some ancestral land back in Galicia until he sold it all in the 1940's. My mother's side, also blonde and blue-eyed, had came to Cuba two generations before from Asturias, across the river from Galicia.
I came to the USA from Cuba at age 6.
The Celtic history of Galicia and Asturias and the northern half of ancient Spain is extensively documented in history and archeology. Go to Google and type in "Celt-iberian" just as a start.
The name Galicia is derived from the Roman name of the region Gallaecia which means "land of the Celts".
If you travel to Galicia or Asturias, you will see an abundance of blonde and blue-eyed Spaniards as opposed to their black haired cousins in the rest of Spain. The reason is that the Moors were stopped at the mountains of Galicia and Asturias as other invaders had been. The "Reconquitsta" of Spain back from the Moors began from Asturias and Galicia.
If you are referring to the Germanic invasions of the Visigoths, Vandals, Suevi, et al, at the time of the Fall of Rome, they were not Celts.
Hmmm... Then who were they? I thought the Germani Tribe, after whom Germany was named but is not currently occupied was a Celtic Tribe?
At one time, the Celts did extend into Germany. However, by the time of Fall of Rome, the Gothic tribes had driven them back into what is now France. The origin of the Gothic tribes that ultimately destroyed Rome is believed to have been in Scandinavia.
I think Densa Mensa was indicating that the Roman behaviour in the Forum and perhaps elsewhere was far was civilized, and since they and the Greeks wrote much of the His-Story of the time, it is suspect. Is that in error?
It was all a matter of semantics. I went after him because of the insulting way he made his post "BS, laughable,etc".
In the 1800's, the term "noble savage" was used to mean someone who did not have the benefits of "civilization" but who behaved admirably. Yet, Bleeding Kansas showed that not all men from a civilization were "civilized".
When I say that Celts, circa 25 B.C. and SubSaharan Africans circa 1800 were "savages", it is meant in that context. If the Celts or Africans had not had any contact with any other people, chances are that they would still be living quite primitively to this day. That goes for the Germanic tribes too.
And once the Blacks got voting rights, with them being in the majority, the result was what you currently see. The whites could have given voting rights to just the educated, but that would have resulted, over time, in "grade inflation" and phoney degrees. I have a feeling that if conditions were made more inclusive earlier, we would have been seeing the same things, only earlier
And blacks, during apartheid, were trying to get INTO SA
Perhaps they would have made more in a more open market for labor, but the fact remains that living conditions for Blacks in SA were better than living conditions in Black-ruled countries. That's why Blacks kept migrating INTO SA instead of OUT. There were no minefields and barbed wire on the border keeping the workers in (unlike in communist countries)
And now living conditions for Blacks in both Zimbabwe and SA are on a sharp down-trend.
The difference was that the Celtic and Germanic tribes were technologically and culturally unsophisticated, but were not stupid. Faced with the technological superiority of the Romans, and getting their heads kicked in a bit, they learned
One problem with South Africa is that African Blacks consistently test out as having median IQs in the 70-85 range, which turns into a problem in a technological world.
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