Fundamentalists re-create Eden, with dinosaurs

The Sunday Times (U.K.) ^ | 03/10/2002 | Oliver Poole

[Vast Buffalo Wing Conspiracy]

I can see it now- "Boy, you quit laughin'. Youza goin' ta HELL to burn in the everlastin' LAKE O' FIRE."

Cleveland?

[Cable225]

The bible speaks of the behemoth, an animal with a tail like a tree trunk. No large animal had a tail like a tree trunk except the dinosaur. And studying Genesis in the original Hebrew, there is no problem with the earth being 4 billion years old.

I don't normally jump into these threads because quite frankly, I have never believed the Bible can be literally translated into English and then be taken (for want of a better word) literally.

I thought the information on your link was fascinating. I'm going to refer it to someone I know that can read Hebrew to clarify that those words are what you say they mean. Not that I have any reason to doubt you, more for my own information.

Thank you for sharing it.

[RnMomof7]

If you discount creation then you discount Adam and Eve..with out them no fall with out the fall no need for Christ..viva no Christian Faith..

[#3Fan]

A good resource, do you study with the Shepherds Chapel?

Yes. You can tell by links like the one I provided that a lot of groups are following Pastor Murray's lead and doing their own in-depth research into ancient Hebrew, etc., and coming up with good information.

They teach of this, and do a chapter by chapter study daily. Too many people limit creation to a short amount of time. There is so much more to learn, if you get away from the traditions that smother the truth.

Very true.

[samtheman]

If you discount creation then you discount Adam and Eve..with out them no fall with out the fall no need for Christ..viva no Christian Faith..

I think you'll find that hundreds of millions of Christians around the world don't share the simplistic formula you've just typed out. Are you calling them all wrong? Are you the final judge of their faith?

[jlogajan]

If you discount creation then you discount Adam and Eve..with out them no fall with out the fall no need for Christ..viva no Christian Faith.

Your logic is flawed, but you do raise an interesting dilemma about this cheesy character you call God. I mean, so this Adam and Eve pair do a "bad" thing, and then this God punishes all their descendents. What a jerk.

[RnMomof7]

No the Bible is and you have just called it a lie..what other scripture would you like to throw out?? The Ressurection?

[#3Fan]

Your post and this verse do not prove that Job lived in the time of Dinosaurs. This is Job explaining to his buddies what he saw when he took the kids to the Amelikite Dinosaur Science Center.

LOL I didn't say Job lived with dinosaurs. Dinosaurs lived 65 million years ago. Job lived ~3-4-5-6 thousand years ago. God speaks through prophets:

Mat 10:19 But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak.

Mat 10:20 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.

[weikel]

Thats my opinion flame away luddites.

[TransOxus]

Why not Creation? Evolution theory still remains an unproven fraud. The pointy heads use the argument that it occured millions of years ago to obfuscate the fact that no evolution has been observed during the few millenums of known history. Pure snake oil from the serpent. After all who can envision millions of years when our known history is infinitely miniscule as is Man's existence. However, artificial man-made "evolution" can be easily proved which actually is Man trying to CREATE new and existing life by cross-breeding, gene manipulation, etc.

Why hasn't evolution occured on the Moon ? After all evolution theory is life forming adapting to the existing environment -so none of the fallacious argument that it is the lack of certain essential elements and compounds for life to evolve. Was the pet rock created or evolved?

[jlogajan]

Why hasn't evolution occured on the Moon?

Umm, because evolution isn't a "force" that overcomes all impediments -- but a process that functions within existing opportunities.

I could go on but somehow I don't think you are either in the mood or of the capability to grasp it anyhow.

[Gladwin]

LOL! I don't see it either. These scientific fundamentalists believe in some unseen force holding the universe together. I want them to prove it exists.

And none of this indirect evidence from measurements! I want a test-tube full of this stuff called "gravity" before I will buy into its' existence.

[#3Fan]

I don't normally jump into these threads because quite frankly, I have never believed the Bible can be literally translated into English and then be taken (for want of a better word) literally.

Don't feel like the lone ranger. I was an atheist for most of my life until I discovered was commonly preached was actually man's word and not God's word. I've now discovered that there is much more information in the bible about man's history, earth's history, etc., than science has. More milestones, anyway. Science has a lot of details but they can't put the picture together very good. Genesis says the earth brought forth the animals, so I have no problem with evolution. Whether God made animals in one day or began the process of evolution and then let the earth bring them forward after that with occasional instances of divine intervention (especially with man) doesn't matter to me, they're both miracles. The big bang is impossible without an imbalance to cause it. What caused this imbalance?

I thought the information on your link was fascinating. I'm going to refer it to someone I know that can read Hebrew to clarify that those words are what you say they mean. Not that I have any reason to doubt you, more for my own information.

Hebrew, from what I know of it, is a fascinating language and writing style.

Thank you for sharing it.

I'm glad you followed up on it. When I get on here and debate these issues, I know I'm not going to change the mind of the person I'm debating, but maybe there will be people out there who reads the debate and has an open mind like me and will be interested in this. There is a lot more truth out there than what we're taught in schools and hear from the more loud-mouthed, perfect-haired TV preachers.

[Revolting cat!]

when a Creationist teacher thinks it is a great idea to take his class there, my kids can be sick that day.

Too bad, you ought to teach your kids that it's good to piss off the establishment, keeping in mind that it's the scientists these days not the churchmen who are the dogmatic establishment. Whatever the merits of this particular dispute, today the Christian believers are the true dissidents in our sick society.

[FreeLibertarian]

If you read Heinlein, tell me you don't see the parallels between this nonsense and "Revolt in 2100" - when Americans throw off a theocracy which was elected in 3 generation previously.

Heinlein was excellent at predicting social trends, "Revolt in 2100" should be required reading in all High Schools. Otherwise we may end up with the kind of religious dictatorship that Heinlein predicted.

[TransOxus]

Grasp what? The meaning of life? Why does life have to be procreated and then die? Why isn't life evolving eternally without halting to die? In death, man is finally in perfect equilibrium with nature, returning back to ashes, dust to dust. So why evolve when he has passed his seed to the next generation to create.

[FreeLibertarian]

I nominate Pamela Anderson for a naked Eve!

[TransOxus]

Most of these scientists forget that Chritianity is what opened the eyes of the originally backward Europeans who in the first millenium were mostly like Africa is now. Sometime during the middle of the second millenium, they caught up with the civilized East and later surpassed them.Some religions go backwards like the Middle East has exhibited.

[Junior]

The pointy heads use the argument that it occured millions of years ago to obfuscate the fact that no evolution has been observed during the few millenums of known history.

Ahem. Observed Instances of Speciation.

[Junior]

Most of these scientists forget that Chritianity is what opened the eyes of the originally backward Europeans who in the first millenium were mostly like Africa is now.

Technological development stagnated under Christianity. People in the Roman Empire would have felt right at home in the 12th century in Europe. Technologically, nothing had changed. It wasn't until the Rennaissance and the revival of classical thinking that scientific thinking took off in the West.