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Fundamentalists re-create Eden, with dinosaurs
The Sunday Times (U.K.) ^ | 03/10/2002 | Oliver Poole

Posted on 03/09/2002 4:05:28 PM PST by Pokey78

AMERICAN scientists are outraged over plans for a multi-million-dollar museum dedicated to telling the nation's schoolchildren that God made the world in seven days and that Darwin is a fraud.

The backers of the $14 million (£10 million) Creation Museum and Family Centre, which is to open in 2004 close to the Ohio River in Kentucky, boast that the structure will act as an antidote to the "brainwashing" taught in science museums worldwide.

Exhibits will include re-creations of the Garden of Eden and Noah's Ark. A giant double helix of DNA will be suspended in the middle of the hall in order to argue that living creatures are so complex that they could not have evolved by random mutation.

Real fossils will be used to demonstrate how scientific methods such as carbon dating can be wildly inaccurate, and life-sized dinosaurs will illustrate the belief that they lived alongside Adam and Eve in a period before the Fall, when animals, man and dinosaurs cohabited, free from violence.

Ken Ham, whose Answers in Genesis ministry is behind the project, said that the museum was a long overdue offensive against the scientific establishment.

"This is a cultural war," he said. "They need to know we're coming. We're not doing this to say: 'Here's the evidence for and against, now you decide.' We admit our bias right from the start.

"The Bible is not a science textbook. But where it touches on science, we can trust it. This is the truth."

The only other museum in America dedicated to "creationism" - the theory that the Bible's Genesis story is both literal and accurate - is at the Institute for Creation Research near San Diego in California.

It covers 3,500 sq ft and will be dwarfed by Mr Ham's Creation Museum, which will include a 50,000 sq ft exhibition hall and 47 acres of outdoor trails and displays. Some exhibits have already been purchased, including the DNA and dinosaur models, in addition to a walk-through replica of a human cell.

Answers in Genesis already puts out a faith-based family magazine, a technical journal detailing the "science of creation", a daily radio programme that is broadcast on 400 stations across the United States, and pamphlets distributed worldwide on subjects such as "Where Did the Races Come From?".

A recent survey in the magazine Scientific American reported that 45 per cent of Americans believe that God created life some time in the past 10,000 years, despite the vast majority of scientists maintaining that life in its simplest form first appeared 3.9 billion years ago and has been evolving ever since.

Eugenie Scott, the director of the National Centre for Science Education, said that the new creationist museum was a sermon disguised as scientific study intended to hoodwink the public. "The authoritarian presentation of this information is likely to confuse people into thinking that these are scientifically valid views," she said.

"Science is not a democratic process. Once an idea is proved wrong, you don't continue to present it. The idea that everything on Earth appeared all at once 10,000 years ago has been disproved."

In recent years Christian fundamentalists have been accused of targeting small towns and placing supporters onto the local boards of education in a campaign for more teaching time to be spent on creationism. Two years ago the Kansas Board of Education reversed a decision to ban mentions of Darwin in schools after a public revolt voted a number of its members out.

To the outrage of the state's scientific community, Ohio is proposing a similar initiative to forbid teaching of scientific evolution. Similar propositions are also to be debated soon in New York State and Massachusetts.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Kentucky
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To: BenR2
One does not need a phD to know that the moon (formed with the Earth by almost unversal agreement) did not come into being 6,000 years ago. Further, I don't care how many phDs said it did
141 posted on 03/10/2002 1:56:14 PM PST by luvbach1
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To: #3Fan
You said, And studying Genesis in the original Hebrew, there is no problem with the earth being 4 billion years old. that's well and good, but creationists don't think the earth is 4 billion years old; they think it's 6,000 years old lol
142 posted on 03/10/2002 1:59:35 PM PST by luvbach1
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To: RJCogburn
Neither does the Bible mention the platypus, the golden retriever, nor the alpaca. They exist. As far as I remember, there was no effort in Genesis to name all the animals that Adam named. They just said he gave names to them.

No one should argue with that. Even those who believe in australopithecan Eve must realize that Eve and her descendants derived names for the animals. (A Latin-Greek lexicon, no doubt.)

The ballplayer is ignorant.

144 posted on 03/10/2002 2:06:37 PM PST by xzins
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To: gore3000
Evolutionists are by nature openminded. They are not irrevokeably wedded to a set of beliefs; they have dynamic body of knowledge that can be edited as new information is discovered. Creationists have a rigid set of beliefs which by their very origin are immutable. And just because evolutionists don't have easy pat answers to every mystery of life and the creation of the universe does not mean they are wrong on what they do know.
145 posted on 03/10/2002 2:09:08 PM PST by luvbach1
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To: olddominion
Facetiousness or ignorance?
146 posted on 03/10/2002 2:11:36 PM PST by luvbach1
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To: medved
What could be worse Medved asks? ? Belief in the literal truth of Adam and Eve in the gargen of eden fairy tale could be worse
147 posted on 03/10/2002 2:14:25 PM PST by luvbach1
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To: medved
By the way,are you the reviewer?
148 posted on 03/10/2002 2:15:22 PM PST by luvbach1
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To: luvbach1
141: One does not need a phD to know that the moon (formed with the Earth by almost unversal agreement) did not come into being 6,000 years ago. Further, I don't care how many phDs said it did

145: Evolutionists are by nature openminded


-The Hajman-
150 posted on 03/10/2002 2:26:01 PM PST by Hajman
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To: medved
My goodness. You're "I love Junior" posting has joined your "Wisdom of Splifford the Bat" postings. I knew I was special to you, but I never expected this level of adoration. Thanks. I am truly flattered.
151 posted on 03/10/2002 2:53:36 PM PST by Junior
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To: Junior
You're "I love Junior" posting has joined your "Wisdom of Splifford the Bat" postings.

Careful! The guy could be a stalker.

152 posted on 03/10/2002 2:55:36 PM PST by VadeRetro
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To: luvbach1
Facetiousness or ignorance?

Certainly not ignorance, although I'm sure proponents of the evolution religion would disagree....

154 posted on 03/10/2002 3:27:53 PM PST by OldDominion
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To: luvbach1
By the way,are you the reviewer?

Of what?

156 posted on 03/10/2002 3:45:46 PM PST by medved
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To: Junior, JimRobinson

A Portrait of "Junior"
In His Own Words on the FreeRepublic Forum

"We've got a whole lot of these folks on this forum..."
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/630185/posts#4

"Knowing gore3000, he'll take a look at your link and claim that evolutionists say coyotes are descended from whales. Do not underestimate the power of willful ignorance..."
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/630185/posts#68

You didn't even read the freakin' article, you dolt, or you wouldn't have made the inane comment about whales evolving from coyotes, or vice versa. Do you ever read any of the stuff we give you, or do you glance at the pretty pictures, decide that nothing's going to change your mind and then post inanities on these threads?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/630185/posts#143

My theory has always been he's nothing more than a rather primitive computer algorythm.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/630185/posts#152

You are the only person I've met who suffered from Tourette's Syndrome of the keyboard.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/630185/posts#384

Face it, gore3000, your brain (or programming) has been trained to force a cognitive disassociation between the pariticulars of evidence and the sum total of evidence. You can't see the forest for the trees. You'll pick at individual pieces of evidence given you, but fail to understand the overall picture painted by the evidence coming in from dozens of scientific disciplines. And, you show an inherent inability to actually learn anything
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/630185/posts#632

except by creationists who cannot see the forest for the trees and refuse to accept any evidence unless in the form of a living, breathing critter (and then they'd probably claim it was ginned up by geneticists in some secret laboratory to mislead good, God-fearing Christians in an effort to damn their souls to Hell).
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/630185/posts#750

Gee, you get caught quote-mining red handed, and attempt to weedle out of it by bantering semantics. You haven't read any real science since that nice old guy down the street introduced you to Saturnism... http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/630185/posts#978

Dear, dear, deluded g3k.... http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/630185/posts#1073

What must God think of you that you are reduced to bantering semantics, twisting words, willful ignorance, and outright lies to support Biblical creation?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/630185/posts#1080

I never said that, you liar and twister of words. The serpent in the Garden of Eden could take tips from you.... Remember, God said, "Thou shall not bear false witness" (which means lying). Of course, you probably think lying for God makes you a saint, don't you?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/630185/posts#1082

Ahem, Mr. "I've got to lie for God,"
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/630185/posts#1088

I'm wondering if my asking gore3000 how he believed God felt about his lying for Him is what caused him to clam up. Medved, you claim God hates idiots, but not one of the commandments states "Thou shalt not be stupid." However, there is a "Thou shalt not bear false witness." Now that you know that your quotes are, at best, disengenuous, shouldn't you attempt to distance yourself from them, or is it okay to lie as long as it's "for the children?" http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/630185/posts#1209

That is why PatrickHenry keeps publishing the list - so that y'all do not keep spouting the same, discredited drivel. http://www.FreeRepublic.com/forum/a3a68abe52d91.htm#147

I merely said that's what the Indians claim. And shortsighted politicians are more than willing to bend over and grab their ankles for these folks.
http://www.FreeRepublic.com/forum/a3a68abe52d91.htm#191

Ah... the "Static Cling Theory" of life, the universe and everything. Came to you one day while cleaning out the dryer lint trap, did it?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/636491/posts?q=1&&page=101#140

I figured it had to be you. Can't keep a tinfoil hatter down.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/634527/posts?q=1&&page=51#55

Your beliefs can't be proven scientifically so they must be forced on the populace through deception and the courtroom. Nice. In a few centuries America will have come to resemble the Islamic world in its backwardness and you can sit back in that special Hell God reserves for people who lie in His name, and gloat at your handiwork.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/634066/posts?q=1&&page=151#164

Proof positive you have absolutely no clue about that which you speak. Your creationist brethren have given up this argument as factually incorrect, but you persist in your ignorance as if it were some sort of talisman keeping the real world at bay.
The Sun does not "reverse" entropy, you muggle....
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/626685/posts?q=1&&page=201#203

BTW, a mutation is simply a change in the genome. It happens all the time -- usually during the creation of the sex cells from transcription errors (there is a word for this, but I cannot remember it for the life of me). Sometimes it is caused by an external influence -- a stray particle of radiation might knock part of a gene out of kilter (the biggest source of such radiation, BTW, is the Sun), or environmental chemicals might play merry hell with one's genetic coding. It's quite common and happens all the time -- which you would know if you actually read something other than the Bible once in a while.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/626685/posts?q=1&&page=301#346

Oh, I forgot, the scientific community is conspiring to keep you silent, so just sit in your basement and brood...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/626685/posts?q=1&&page=351#356

A case could be made that you should alter your drinking...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/626685/posts?q=1&&page=351#372

You are more incoherent than usual. Have they upped the dosage on your meds?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/626685/posts?q=1&&page=551#556

Are you being dense, or what? A descendent species can coexist with its parent species. There is nothing precluding Homo Erectus, Homo Neanderthalensis and Homo Sapien from occupying the planet at the same time. The fact that you cannot see this obvious situation indicates a lack of thought on your part.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/630185/posts?q=1&&page=1370#1367

gore3000: God did it. I have special dispensation to lie for God. Besides, I'll ignore all your evidence so that I can complain you never give me any.
medved: God came from Saturn.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/630185/posts?q=1&&page=1408

157 posted on 03/10/2002 3:51:38 PM PST by medved
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To: VadeRetro
Thanks for the clarification on PMFJI...

What difference does a WHO make in getting something from nothing?

Are you suggesting that Something has always existed, such as space and all it's matter? I'm not the one who interjected the who question in the first place, I was looking for an explanation without a WHO...Here's your logical conclusion if I am reading this right. You are saying that Something has always existed and randomly started life because the right circumstances of a mixture just happened to come together? Is that about right? This is HOW life came into being?

I wonder how many times it would take to throw a full deck of cards on the table and they will randomly build a house?

158 posted on 03/10/2002 3:59:31 PM PST by sirchtruth
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To: Pokey78
Cool they should set up some more of these that will drive the liberal atheists nuts.
159 posted on 03/10/2002 4:01:46 PM PST by Dengar01
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To: medved
Ah, can't argue your position effectively so you try to get your opposition banned -- the tactics of communists and fascists everywhere. Shall we point out your spamming of these threads, or do you consider wasting bandwidth to be your birthright? Notice, no one has attempted to get you banned -- yet. You're playing a dangerous game here, Ted.
160 posted on 03/10/2002 4:01:55 PM PST by Junior
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