[WRhine]

I am all for cutting welfare for ALL people. If you don't want to pay for the babies of welfare mothers, then write your folks in Colorado or Washinton and tell them. I dont disagree that certain classes of people cost more money than others. You can do this by race, gender, age, lifestyle, geographic region or country that your parents came from.

This concerns you...Yeah Right. When we have a population of 3rd world illegals in this country that is growing at an exponential rate and our treasonous politicians allow them to vote you can kiss any welfare reform goodbye. In fact, only a moron would expect anything other than more and more welfare and ever-higher taxes as their numbers grow.

[Vast Buffalo Wing Conspiracy]

This concerns you...Yeah Right. When we have a population of 3rd world illegals in this country that is growing at an exponential rate and our treasonous politicians allow them to vote you can kiss any welfare reform goodbye. In fact, only a moron would expect anything other than more and more welfare and ever-higher taxes as their numbers grow.

This is a point which Danevogado and the rest of the apologists for the status quo who claim to be conservative do not understand: you cannot fight the negative effects of immigration by eliminating the welfare state. The welfare state was created when we had no immigration! As such, it worked okay; it was not a good thing but was manageable. All this changed when immigration was reopened. Welfare spun out of control, because finally the welfare bureaucrats and politicians had a growing market for their "services". As such, the more immigration is allowed to spin out of control, the more welfare spins out of control.

Here's were the open border/no welfare crowd loses it: public opinion is divided on the issue of eliminating the welfare state, but it is almost unanimous on the issue of restricting immigration. We have the public support to eliminate the primary foundation upon which the current welfare state power structure rests - immigration! Once the source for new welfare recipients dries up, support for the welfare state will also dry up, and getting rid of it or at least cutting it back will then become a real political possibility.

Keeping the borders open while trying to defeat the welfare state is a political impossibility. Defeating the open door immigration policy, on the other hand, is very possible, and once done, changes the political landscape in our favor for the long term.

As usual, the open borders "conservatives" have their cart before the horse, trying to fight for conservative policies whilst allowing their enemies to import an endless supply of new voters for anti-conservative agendas.