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To: Semaphore Heathcliffe
Excellent point. First mention I've seen in quite a while regarding the "import SS payments" aspect of immigration.

If the plan is to let these people in to make payments into the SS system,it is a horrible failure. Illegals don't pay into the system,they take money OUT of the system. Their children get AFDC,food stamps,etc,etc,etc,and a lot of this money comes from SS.

799 posted on 03/09/2002 8:11:20 PM PST by sneakypete
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To: sneakypete
Their children get AFDC,food stamps,etc,etc,etc,and a lot of this money comes from SS.

Not only the immigrants' kids put a strain on the social welfare system; just think of the displaced AMERICAN workers and those that work for less wages than they used to because of illigals. They will be turning to the system as well. I work in a grocery store and I see more and more people who would never be caught dead using food stamps in the past using them now. These are not dead beats by any streach of the imagination. They work, but just no longer make enough money to make ends meet.

Another thing that I laugh at is the oft used statement that "they are taking jobs that no one else wants." Well I say that when you take a gander at the level of education that kids coming out of the schools today have, about the only thing many of them are qualified to do are these "jobs that no one wants." Folks, let's face it, not everyone is cut out to be an engineer or a doctor, or to have some IT job. Just because they don't have the mental capacity to learn to do these types of high level jobs doesn't mean they are not good people and hard workers, and I don't think they deserve to be subjected to a life of abject poverty or a ward of the state. The presence of illigal aliens are driving down the wages in these low skill sectors to the point that that is the future they face. This is a sure fire formula to much civil strife and even civil war.

814 posted on 03/09/2002 8:36:38 PM PST by GaConfed
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To: sneakypete
If the plan is to let these people in to make payments into the SS system,it is a horrible failure.

Definitely a horrible failure right now. And maybe always. But can't you just see some government thinktank sitting around saying, "Well, the whites are dying off. With them vanishes the solid tax base upon we depend for our absurd and wasteful programs. Therefore, we should allow unfettered immigration of unskilled, uneducated, non-English speaking refugees from Mexico. By the millions. No, TENS of millions." Then they slap high fives and go have dry martinis on our dime.

Alright, I admit it. It's a bad idea, and as soon as I hit Post Reply, I thought, dammit that's actually a bad idea, and someone's going to call me on it. I'm glad it's you, sneakypete... you one bad furious soldier on the fighting right.

830 posted on 03/09/2002 9:10:44 PM PST by Semaphore Heathcliffe
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To: sneakypete
If the plan is to let these people in to make payments into the SS system,it is a horrible failure.

Definitely a horrible failure right now. And maybe always. But can't you just see some government thinktank sitting around saying, "Well, the whites are dying off. With them vanishes the solid tax base upon we depend for our absurd and wasteful programs. Therefore, we should allow unfettered immigration of unskilled, uneducated, non-English speaking refugees from Mexico. By the millions. No, TENS of millions." Then they slap high fives and go have dry martinis on our dime.

Alright, I admit it. It's a bad idea, and as soon as I hit Post Reply, I thought, dammit that's actually a bad idea, and someone's going to call me on it. I'm glad it's you, sneakypete... you one bad furious soldier on the fighting right.

831 posted on 03/09/2002 9:10:57 PM PST by Semaphore Heathcliffe
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To: sneakypete
If the plan is to let these people in to make payments into the SS system,it is a horrible failure.

Definitely a horrible failure right now. And maybe always. But can't you just see some government thinktank sitting around saying, "Well, the whites are dying off. With them vanishes the solid tax base upon we depend for our absurd and wasteful programs. Therefore, we should allow unfettered immigration of unskilled, uneducated, non-English speaking refugees from Mexico. By the millions. No, TENS of millions." Then they slap high fives and go have dry martinis on our dime.

Alright, I admit it. It's a bad idea, and as soon as I hit Post Reply, I thought, dammit that's actually a bad idea, and someone's going to call me on it. I'm glad it's you, sneakypete... you one bad furious soldier on the fighting right.

832 posted on 03/09/2002 9:11:08 PM PST by Semaphore Heathcliffe
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To: sneakypete
If the plan is to let these people in to make payments into the SS system,it is a horrible failure.

Definitely a horrible failure right now. And maybe always. But can't you just see some government thinktank sitting around saying, "Well, the whites are dying off. With them vanishes the solid tax base upon we depend for our absurd and wasteful programs. Therefore, we should allow unfettered immigration of unskilled, uneducated, non-English speaking refugees from Mexico. By the millions. No, TENS of millions." Then they slap high fives and go have dry martinis on our dime.

Alright, I admit it. It's a bad idea, and as soon as I hit Post Reply, I thought, dammit that's actually a bad idea, and someone's going to call me on it. I'm glad it's you, sneakypete... you one bad furious soldier on the fighting right.

833 posted on 03/09/2002 9:11:44 PM PST by Semaphore Heathcliffe
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To: sneakypete
If the plan is to let these people in to make payments into the SS system,it is a horrible failure.

Definitely a horrible failure right now. And maybe always. But can't you just see some government thinktank sitting around saying, "Well, the whites are dying off. With them vanishes the solid tax base upon we depend for our absurd and wasteful programs. Therefore, we should allow unfettered immigration of unskilled, uneducated, non-English speaking refugees from Mexico. By the millions. No, TENS of millions." Then they slap high fives and go have dry martinis on our dime.

Alright, I admit it. It's a bad idea, and as soon as I hit Post Reply, I thought, dammit that's actually a bad idea, and someone's going to call me on it. I'm glad it's you, sneakypete... you one bad furious soldier on the fighting right.

834 posted on 03/09/2002 9:12:19 PM PST by Semaphore Heathcliffe
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To: sneakypete
If the plan is to let these people in to make payments into the SS system,it is a horrible failure.

Definitely a horrible failure right now. And maybe always. But can't you just see some government thinktank sitting around saying, "Well, the whites are dying off. With them vanishes the solid tax base upon we depend for our absurd and wasteful programs. Therefore, we should allow unfettered immigration of unskilled, uneducated, non-English speaking refugees from Mexico. By the millions. No, TENS of millions." Then they slap high fives and go have dry martinis on our dime.

Alright, I admit it. It's a bad idea, and as soon as I hit Post Reply, I thought, dammit that's actually a bad idea, and someone's going to call me on it. I'm glad it's you, sneakypete... you one bad furious soldier on the fighting right.

836 posted on 03/09/2002 9:13:35 PM PST by Semaphore Heathcliffe
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To: sneakypete
If the plan is to let these people in to make payments into the SS system,it is a horrible failure.

Definitely a horrible failure right now. And maybe always. But can't you just see some government thinktank sitting around saying, "Well, the whites are dying off. With them vanishes the solid tax base upon we depend for our absurd and wasteful programs. Therefore, we should allow unfettered immigration of unskilled, uneducated, non-English speaking refugees from Mexico. By the millions. No, TENS of millions." Then they slap high fives and go have dry martinis on our dime.

Alright, I admit it. It's a bad idea, and as soon as I hit Post Reply, I thought, dammit that's actually a bad idea, and someone's going to call me on it. I'm glad it's you, sneakypete... you one bad furious soldier on the fighting right.

837 posted on 03/09/2002 9:14:18 PM PST by Semaphore Heathcliffe
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