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Immigration (legal or illegal) is no longer in the best interest of America.

Without it, Social Security goes totally bust. That is the reason for expanding population BTW. It lets Congress keep spending money and running from the problem.

The Federal Reserve has already stated that immigration will not solve the problems with Social Security - the current crop of immigrants does not have the education needed to achieve the needed growth in productivity.

Without it, Social Security goes totally bust. That is the reason for expanding population BTW. It lets Congress keep spending money and running from the problem.

I've often wondered if that was the real reason or not. The total costs outweigh the "savings" of new workers, and these tend to be new workers at the very lowest end of the pay scale, contributing the least to social security.

To really make up the difference, we would have to double or triple our population. Do we really think we can absorb another two or three hundred million people? If anyone wanted proof that SS was a pyramid scheme, here it is.

Of course, if we had not aborted/birth controlled away all those millions of babies over that past 30-40 years, we would not have such a huge problem with SS.

Without it, Social Security goes totally bust. That is the reason for expanding population BTW. It lets Congress keep spending money and running from the problem.

Hello what world do you live in??Those ILLEGAL Immigrants are working OFF THE BOOKS they are not paying taxes and making them legal will not change that ..it just means they will not have to duck the immigration folks..

These folks are a net loss to our National budget..they suck up tax dollars in medical services and in the schools , other social programs..

$10.00 a head for lettace..well my clients used to go pick it for less than minimum wage .

I have no problem allowing seasonal labor into the country..tracked and returned home at the end of harvest..But I do not want them freely roaming the country, and sucking up our Social Services (which they will be able to do once they are LEGAL)

The solution to social security should not require the destruction of America.

Without it, Social Security goes totally bust.

Excellent point. First mention I've seen in quite a while regarding the "import SS payments" aspect of immigration.

Carry, social security is really a bad argument for allowing immigration to continue. I agree with blue river to an extent. From what I see, immigration does more damage to America than it does good, given the social welfare system of the day. Now, if the social welfare system were not around, perhaps it might do a little good. However, our cities are already big enough, and we no longer have anywhere to settle without destroying natural spaces that are rapidly declining. Immigration drives almost all of the deforestation. It's hard to say where I stand, but I will agree that given the social system, immigration is a negative, legal or not. H1B visas also cause calamity for American workers. Thus, our jobs are taken, and because of higher taxes, it is harder to make any money or survive in the marketplace. Wow, immigration helps Americans a lot, doesn't it.

However, that's not my main point about using social security as a reason as to why we need immigration.

Here's the problem. You're operating on a pyramid scheme. In order for social security to work, it needs to have more workers in comparison to recipients. Now, social security wouldn't be a problem if the government didn't squandor everyone elses money. However, they did, and it has a created a dilemma of which is most likely never to bring about normalcy within the social security system. To outdo this normalcy, it requires more and more workers, for tax dollars are needed to pay for the already paid-into social security incomes that were blatantly stolen from our own government. The result is that this Pyramid Scheme is what will be needed, held up by a Socialized System, to keep Social Security alive.

Why is this bad? For one, a pyramid scheme only gets bigger and bigger. For example, allowing more immigrants into the U.S. creates a bigger pool of future recipients, of which more immigrants will be needed to support them. The cycle continues. Now, you might say, "well, if we can get through this time with more immigrants, we'll be all-right". This isn't so, for there will always be more income makers needed to provide for the recipients. You may not need any immigrants for a generation, but eventually you'll need more, for there will come a time when the amount of children born will equal the amount of parents. Thus, the only way for immigration to not continue is for people to continually have large families, producing around four children per family. Without it, immigration is the only way to provide for the a Social System that will inevitably implode as it always has. Whether through overpopulation, deteriorated schools, infrastructure, public health, loss of environment, etc., the negative effects of Social Security will eventually come, and I think that we've only seen the beginning.

What I think should happen? Eliminate social security for anyone newly entering the workforce. The rest of us, in a graduated system based on age, will receive ALL of our entitlements. However, the older the are, the longer you'll be able to continue to receive social security through paycheck deductions. The younger you are, the less longer you'll be able to receive the deduction. Under 35, you will no longer have social security deducted from your paycheck.