? About the Soldier Killed On The Ground

3-6-02 | self

[paul in cape]

It seems to me that the soldier who fell out of the copter was captured by the enemy was then a Prisoner Of War. Therefore, he was not killed in combat, but executed as a prisoner. I've checked the newswires, and have yet to see the press release from Ramsey Clark about the mistreatment of prisoners.

[xsrdx]

The soldier was a sailor - USN Special Operations, a SEAL. He fell from the aircraft when the pilot made a rapid evasive maneuver to avoid an RPG. The soldier was apparently alive when he hit the ground, and most likely still armed. We don't know if he attempted to surrender - IMO that's not likely given his occupation.

More than likely he was killed as a combatant - not a POW. He had the means to continue to resist, but he was outnumbered and outgunned. This guy had some rotten luck, but there is no reason to believe he didn't die fighting.

Small consolation, but we are likely going to kill damn near every AQ/Taliban troop breathing in or near the Gardez complex, and you can rest assured they will be dying in a most unpleasant fashion., on the receiving end of a determined, violent and incomprehensibly destructive operation.

[Mom_Grandmother]

Was I out of line? This has me stumped thinking I may have been singled out from other comments a little more radical than mine. I don't want to break any rules but I thought this was the place we could speak freely whether we agreed with one another or not.

Our son is in the Air Force and I am just a little on the edge here, that could have been him out their getting his thoat slit for all the world to see on film.

[ironman]

Tinman

I am Ironman, and I've earned that name.

[GussiedUp]

The problem with your argument is the use of "they." Surely almost all of these people are very very dangerous ones, but some of them may not be. Some may have spared their lives by giving up intell. To say lets just wipe 'um all out and be done with it imho is an overreach.

If they weren't dangerous, they wouldn't have been trying to kill Americans in the first place.

Their subsequent behavior at Gitmo has proven they are indeed dangerous.

Additionally, they are not giving up information to the Americans under threat of their lives. The Americans down there are not threatening their lives; rather, they are giving the terrorists/prisioners food and medical treatment, at American Taxpayer expense, that they have probably never received in their lives.

Sorry fella, but your heartfelt defense of the murdering bastard terrorists at Gitmo falls on deaf ears with me, and I suspect most people on FR.

[oldvike]

Wonder what all the Euro-trash (accept for Tony Blair, he's okay) will have to say about this?

[McGavin999]

Ummm, gee, was our soldier wearing a uniform? Was he part of a state military? Was he under a recognized chain of command?

We always knew this is how our men would be treated if captured. The point is, this gives those whiny little creeps who have been running around complaining about the treatment of the prisoners at Gitmo an idea of what we're dealing with. I hope now that they just shut their mouths before the rest of us start thinking about THEM as the enemy.

[fightu4it]

A tough decision to make. Chopper comes under heavy fire threatening the chopper and everyone on board. One man already out or may have fallen out. You make the call! I happen to think the pilot made the right decision.

As for the execution of the soldier, I doubt that they would have been kind enough to shoot him right away.

[GussiedUp]

Was I out of line?

In my (and I suspect most folk's) opinion...NO! You're justifibly angry.

You have just had the unfortunate experience to meet "peep" - I already know him. Stand back and read the posts for a few hours and you'll have a good laugh.

He does this stuff for attention.

[ironman]

"Sorry fella, but your heartfelt defense of the murdering bastard terrorists at Gitmo"

You are wrong. I never defeneded any of the murdering terrorists. Those should get the ultimate punishment. I'll make the not so subtle point again that sending all 300 to the firing squad today might be over the top. I'd bet any American soldier who shot even one of them today would get a court martial.

[Silvermont]

Why the helo and crew did not attempt a rescue....the moment they realized a crew menber fell out of the chopper ?????... It just seems to me...and I'm not trying to start some s$$t. ......but I cannot just see the chopper flying away and leaving one of it's men on the ground ??????

[in_troth]

It's understandable to be outraged, but are you a savage? Yer right, whomever you are---our humane treatment of the (prisoners? captives? al queada scum) versus their horrible execution/murder of our captured soldier is another example of what makes us civilized, and makes them savages.

I'm certain our entire nation is outraged about that soldier (and any of our soldiers) being killed, but the fact that we can still act with compassion and fairness rather than vengeance is what makes us such an excellent society. It's the same reason we have laws and sentencing guidelines, and why we let judges set sentences rather than whomever was wronged (or their relatives). Without this you have vigilante-style revenge, and as a nation and as a people we really are better than that.

[GussiedUp]

Condoning murder is wrong, regardless of the political beliefs of the victim. Questioning the foreign policy strategy of the president does not mean that Daschle want our men and women to die for political gain. If more members of Congress had fulfilled their constitutional role of oversight of the executive branch, then perhaps fewer Americans would have died in that war.

Oh get off your holier-than-thou Liberal high horse, Peep. This action is par for the course for you. She is obviously angry and frustrated and don't try to tell me that Da$$hole wouldn't gleefully use the deaths of troops in a cynical political move if he thought for a split second it would net DNC gains. You came in on a thread about the death of an American soldier to take up for Da$$hole of all people? This is your typical M.O.

[heylady]

I hereby nominate you to go down to Gitmo and find those illegal combatants who are not "dangerous". Good luck!

[Marysecretary]

Save your anger, angcat. It will only end up hurting YOU in the end. These people are not worth anxiety, upset stomachs, gall bladder attacks, ulcers, all the lovely things that can happen to one who is angry and bitter. It will destroy you. Pray for those who despitefully use you and that includes these demons. Love, M

[Marysecretary]

And what will we say when they return the favor and nuke us? No, nukes are not the answer. God is ready to do something in the mideast and we need to be praying. Can't give up!

[GussiedUp]

I'll make the not so subtle point again that sending all 300 to the firing squad today might be over the top. I'd bet any American soldier who shot even one of them today would get a court martial.

And I'll state the obvious again that they were caught trying to kill Americans - all 300 of them. No Soldier would try to kill them without just cause (which they've already given) but you liberals are more worried about them getting 5 Star meals than you are our troops.

Funny how we haven't seen any outrage from you about 3 of them dragging an American Navy Seal off and murdering him.

Liberals deserve what is going to happen to this country due to your biting the hand that feeds you - the rest of us don't.

[ironman]

You make an invalid point. I didn't say that any of them were "not dangerous" as you suggest some of them are for me to find.

[GussiedUp]

I do not condone the murder of anyone, liberal or conservative. Angry or not, she does not seem to understand that you should not make statements condoning murder.

Ah the arrogance of liberals. It makes you feel good to tell that poster what she is thinking, feeling, and should or should not be doing.

But we won't see a post on here of your outrage against the 3 bastards that murdered a Navy Seal. No no, you must only give your twisted emoting to the enemies of America.