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Van Dam Residence Photos, Close up analysis of Americas Most Wanted Website Information!
Rental Connection-San Diego ^ | March 5, 2002 | Nedthan Johns

Posted on 03/05/2002 8:04:09 PM PST by FresnoDA

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To: FresnoDA
That about says it all. "Their lifestyle" let the demon in the door.
61 posted on 03/06/2002 7:48:54 AM PST by sheik yerbouty
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To: Luis Gonzalez
There's a shot of the streets where the van Dam's live on post #3, I don't see any street lights there.

LOL....you crack me up.

True, there is no streetlight in the picture above.

Maybe it is on the other side of the street. I do not know where the streetlights are. But because it is not in the photo does not mean there is not one nearby.

62 posted on 03/06/2002 8:15:45 AM PST by Mrs.Liberty
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Why climb the wall when you could just walk out through the gate?

I think climbing the wall is a bit far-fetched, but then, I wasn't there. How is one going to climb that wall carrying a child?

63 posted on 03/06/2002 8:18:28 AM PST by Mrs.Liberty
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To: FresnoDA
Yes it is.
64 posted on 03/06/2002 8:19:16 AM PST by Jaded
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To: FresnoDA
You guys are really kooky. What are you implying? The VD's were part of some twisted child porno ring or something?

Sounds like they were a tad irresponsible but nothing more. I dont see the relevance of the time line.

66 posted on 03/06/2002 8:37:23 AM PST by antaresequity
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To: crypt2k
Thanks for the info!!!! Now, I can throw the grandkids in their rooms and party hardy knowing they will be safe.... maybe. If someone is into swinging as these folks seem to be, it is interesting to note the type of friends they attract. The danger could have come from within. Just how far might some swingers' go to reap the pleasures of sex? It could be that the kidnapper slipped off to better enjoyment. I think they thought Westerfield left the door unlocked on the way out but didn't think he had their daughter with him.
67 posted on 03/06/2002 8:38:46 AM PST by Jaidyn
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To: antaresequity
Sounds like they were a tad irresponsible but nothing more.

That's an understatement. I think we can safely assume the rumors about the van Dams swinging is true. We can assume that Westerfield caught on and was observing the house for some time. He made an effort to get with Brenda. As for Damon, his child protective sense was severely dulled, probably anticipating the fun of the evening. Probably was only concerned that the kids were put away for the evening. Probably not thinking about the possibility of a home invasion. Not aware that Brenda was out there ticking off an unstable neighbor.

69 posted on 03/06/2002 8:45:57 AM PST by crypt2k
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To: analog
Wait until the defense case. You haven't seen anything yet.
70 posted on 03/06/2002 8:47:43 AM PST by crypt2k
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To: FresnoDA
about stealing the momentos

There is no greater difference in the universe than the difference between momentos and mementos. It's like getting life and death confused.
71 posted on 03/06/2002 8:50:40 AM PST by Vinomori
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To: FresnoDA; Southflanknorthpawsis
Wow, the information given in Post #5 (linked by your Post #10) is fascinating. Maybe you get what you pay for -- the VD's free PR firm is NOT making them look good. And John Walsh is very anti-blame the parents because he knows first-hand the criticism they can get. If the VD's have ticked him off to that extent, they've really had to work at it!
72 posted on 03/06/2002 8:55:22 AM PST by Amore
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To: analog; FresnoDA
I wish the moderator would delete them and kick freaks like 'FresnoDA' off FR as well.

I'm amazed at freepers like you. What is it with you complainers that makes you want to kick someone off and make this forum something that's exclusive to your taste or opinion?

If you don't like this topic, don't click on......DUH !!!!!

I think most people here have the good sense to go to threads that interest them rather than ones with which they want to find fault. Maybe you should be "kicked off" for being a glutton for punishment. Geeeeesh !!!!!!!!

73 posted on 03/06/2002 10:58:16 AM PST by Southflanknorthpawsis
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To: Amore
If the VD's have ticked him off to that extent, they've really had to work at it!

It would sure seem so.

74 posted on 03/06/2002 11:05:50 AM PST by Southflanknorthpawsis
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To: Southflanknorthpawsis
What is it with you complainers that makes you want to kick someone off and make this forum something that's exclusive to your taste or opinion?

I had a conversation with another freeper who also does not like what is discussed in the threads. I told her she may not like the discussions and opinions of some people, but just because she does not like it does not mean that what they are saying is not true, just that she and others don't like it. But that does not mean it should not be said, or that an opinion on facets of the case cannot be discussed.

75 posted on 03/06/2002 11:18:28 AM PST by Mrs.Liberty
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To: Mrs.Liberty
But that does not mean it should not be said, or that an opinion on facets of the case cannot be discussed.

Exactly !!!

There are many threads that I avoid strictly because I know they will aggravate me.

One that quickly comes to mind is the pro-evolution discussions. Ugh !!!!! It annoys the heck out of me so why would I want to go there? I think those believers are nuts, but that's their business and their right to speak their minds.

76 posted on 03/06/2002 11:23:56 AM PST by Southflanknorthpawsis
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To: Jaidyn
All this seems too easy for the kidnapper. Could he have been spying on the VDs and just seized the opportunity? !!! Exactly!!! Those parents will have to live with the guilt for the rest of their lives. It's so scary to think that a pedophile could be stalking our little babes...but they darn sure could be..so we need to make sure we prevent the opportunity to the best of our ability! I don't think the parents should be charged with negligence...but I hope they learned to not do that again...

Oh my gosh..your story is so scary, I bet it does give you chills! There are some things completely out of our control..and it sure doesn't sound like you could have prevented that..you did what you were suppose to do! My heart goes out to you!! We had deadbolts at our other house, that required a key to unlock the bolt from either the outside or the inside. It was our theory that if someone broke in while we were gone, that they wouldn't be able to leave thru any of the doors...but we did leave the key in while we were home for fear of fire etc..

77 posted on 03/06/2002 12:09:56 PM PST by Freedom2specul8
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To: crypt2k
it's going to be awful to watch this case unfold. IF the stories about swinging aren't true, but the defense portrays them as if they are..God help them all. :( If they are true, Lord help their other children.
78 posted on 03/06/2002 12:17:22 PM PST by Freedom2specul8
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To: Mrs.Liberty; ~Kim4VRWC's~
"LOL....you crack me up."

Well, it doesn't take much to amuse the feeble-minded.

I see five houses clearly on that shot, I see no street lights on a sizeable chunk of sidewalk.

Of course, the fact that you are discussing that which can't be proven doesn't surprise me in light of the general directions that these threads seem to take.

Here's my theory about the lack of street lights in the proximity of the van Dam's house: Knowing that they would one day buy that particular house, on that particular street, years ago, when the sub-division was being planned, Brenda and Damon convinced the developers NOT to put up any street lights near the house that they planned to buy one day. That way, once they had kids, there would be sufficient darkness for them to remove the corpse of the daughter they would have by then, dump her in Westerfield's car, and frame the innocent pedophile down the street for her murder.

The motive? They knew that three years and four months from today, Westerfield was going to say something really rude to Brenda at the check-out line in the neighborhood grocery store. By doing this, they got their revenge without having to endure the embarrasment of having an altercation in public.

79 posted on 03/06/2002 12:43:58 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
Kim, stop for a second and think.

Why on earth would the defense bring up the "swingers" angle?

The case being tried is the murder of Danielle van Dam, not any criminal charges against the van Dams.Think about it for a second, even if you leave your car unlocked, with the keys in the ignition, the person who takes it gets arrested for theft.

Even if the van Dams are found to be negligent by not checking on Danielle, or even for inviting Westerfield into the house, the killer is still 100% responsible for the murder.

Even if the van Dams are found to be criminally negligent, that would be a different case, and a different trial.

80 posted on 03/06/2002 12:53:21 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez
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