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Bloomberg: NY Should Have Been Told About Nuke Fear
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Posted on 03/04/2002 1:21:01 PM PST by Asmodeus

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To: eastsider
LOL as to Yankee Stadium... :)
41 posted on 03/04/2002 3:11:37 PM PST by summer
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To: summer
what are 8 million New Yorkers going to do?

Well, I don't have any short-term solutions for them, in the event of an imminent attack. But I do have a long-range suggestion that applies directly to saving their a$$es as well as their assets:

Stop voting RATS into office!

If they can clean up their own idiot PC politics, they will go a long way towards making their own city, as well as our whole country, safer.

42 posted on 03/04/2002 3:17:05 PM PST by samtheman
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To: jalisco555, DKNY, KLT
FYI. :)
44 posted on 03/04/2002 3:22:57 PM PST by summer
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To: toenail
Yeah, life is cheap to him. He'd want to know about a nuke so he could save his precious hide. You cantake that to the bank.
45 posted on 03/04/2002 3:23:47 PM PST by nmh
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To: eastsider
As for evacuation plans, you can put out a dinner setting for me in your "upstate" residence, A51. : )

Anytime. But don't forget I am just 50 miles outside of Indian Point. So we can have dinner and glow in the dark at the same time. Save on my Con Edison bill that way! ;-)

46 posted on 03/04/2002 3:29:10 PM PST by areafiftyone
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To: Asmodeus
Bombs have been a constant threat on Broadway for years....
47 posted on 03/04/2002 3:29:44 PM PST by NormsRevenge
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To: areafiftyone
I don't think New Yorkers would panic if they knew about it.

The complaint is that New York officials were not informed.

48 posted on 03/04/2002 3:36:05 PM PST by aculeus
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To: NormsRevenge
Yuk, yuk! Too true!

Aside from B'way bombs, does anybody else who grew up in NY remember the bomb drills we had in the 50's? Obviously, if you were gonna be nuked, you were gonna be nuked, and terrifying kids in advance with horrifying scenarios (I lived uptown, and actually remember wondering if I could run all the way home before the firestorm hit!) did not help one bit then, and is not going to help today.

Advance notification would only give the pols time to get hysterical - and I doubt that one life would be saved because of it.

Prevention is the only way - get them before they get us.

49 posted on 03/04/2002 3:47:46 PM PST by livius
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To: toenail
It must be that you are unwilling or incapable to think or talk about anything else. Every topic, no matter how far removed from the subject of abortion, choice, fact, or law, etc., must inevitably and unrentingly return to your single barrel, all-cosuming urge that is intended to pass for thought processes. How sad that one's reputed mind cannot contain more than a single concept.
50 posted on 03/04/2002 3:48:50 PM PST by middie
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To: areafiftyone
I don't think New Yorkers would panic if they knew about it. Look how brave New York City acted during 9/11. Don't forget the last calls the victims of 9/11 made to their loved ones. No panic - just a final sad goodbye to their loved ones. Why do people think New York City is full of cowardly people who would run away at the slightest inkling of terror?

Not to make lite of the sacrafice made by the people who made those last calls to their loved ones before dying, but they knew that there was no way out. There comes a certain peace from knowing that your minutes are numbered. More bluntly put, there were so many heros at the Alamo because there was no back door. Look at what happened during the little radio show that Orson Wells put on. You know, the one about aliens invading the Earth. Take that, add the fear (yes, fear. It's not a dirty word given the environment) from the 9/11 attacks and multiply it by ten kilotons. You get several million scared men, women, and children on a 14 mile long island who will do whatever it takes to get the hell out of Dodge. Human nature eventually takes over. Maybe not for some, but for enough to look like world's most vicious version of musical chairs mankind has ever seen.

51 posted on 03/04/2002 4:12:23 PM PST by Orangedog
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To: Almondjoy
Had the liberals in Congress or in NY been informed, the first thing they would have done with it is leak it to the press. The only thing it would have accomplished is set off a mass panic, maybe rioting. Now, having kept it a secret, nothing happened other than a bunch of whiny liberals getting their nose out of joint because they weren't told national security information. Better that than an 8 million person panic.
52 posted on 03/04/2002 4:16:05 PM PST by RecallJeffords
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To: Faraday
I think he IS the dirigible.

They can't afford to send him by boat. The water displacement alone would cause devastating flooding, not to mentio the tsunami that would ensure if he fell overboard.

53 posted on 03/04/2002 4:26:10 PM PST by QueenCityAllan
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To: Asmodeus
Are there any pros to letting people know that their city is under the threat of a terrorist nuclear attack?

If a 10 KT nuke actually did go off in a very populated area such as New York City, and the people had no advance warning, what would your reaction to the government be if you found out that a credible threat was identified before the bomb went off?

What if you had lost loved ones in such an attack?

What if you lived in the area of the attack?

On the other hand, I can imagine the panic, terror, and utter chaos that would envelop the city if it's people had been told of a credible threat of a nuclear attack.

Does New York City or any other major city have evacuation plans for such an eventuality?

What is more preferable: 100,000+ people killed in a terrorist nuclear attack, or the death of thousands caused by the mass chaos of the warning of the attack?

What I would like to see from my fellow FReepers is a very serious and candid debate about the pros and cons of issuing nuclear bomb attack warnings for major cities.

What is wise and what is not wise in such a situation?

Perhaps the best way to ask the question is: If you were the President of the United States and you had a credible warning of a terrorist nuclear attack on a major city, what would you do?

54 posted on 03/04/2002 4:37:12 PM PST by Momaw Nadon
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To: Asmodeus
The threat was later determined to be false, but the magazine said counterterrorist investigators went on their highest state of alert -- without coordinating plans with New York officials, including then Mayor Rudolph Giuliani.

The Tampa Kamakazi pilot's suicide note mentioned that he had met with members of Al-Qeda (but did not join). It also mentioned that there would be a nuke detonated at the Super Bowl. That was probably key to why the letter was not released beforehand.

And just how many people in New Orleans were notified of that threat?

Living in NYC or DC (especially after 9/11) should be taken with a certain level of risk from terrorists and sabotage.

In wartime, I figure that Houston has to be on the list too (with the medical center, refineries, NASA, etc.).

55 posted on 03/04/2002 4:48:19 PM PST by weegee
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To: gridlock
I think that the tunnel shutdowns, etc. in NYC were to prevent attacks on bridges and tunnels (say from a truck bomb) as well and being a lockdown for a crime scene (difficult to leave the area).

The safest move is "out of the area" (like moving to another city). Barring that, know that effort will be made to prevent the detonation in the first place and that your death will be avenged will greater kiloton weapons.

56 posted on 03/04/2002 4:56:12 PM PST by weegee
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To: Yehuda
I live in Ct.; but, am I far enough away ?

Is Dom kosher ? You're always welcome here ; even though I don't " keep kosher ". I'll buy new plates ... LOL

59 posted on 03/04/2002 5:29:36 PM PST by nopardons
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To: nmh
Maybe he just wanted to be like Gray Davis and make a big announcement so he could look important ala the Golden Gate Bridge announcement. We all know how well that went over.
60 posted on 03/04/2002 5:42:59 PM PST by terilyn
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