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Gun Rights and Dell Computers
Newsmax ^ | 3/4/02 | Dr. Michael S. Brown

Posted on 03/04/2002 5:22:10 AM PST by FreedomWarrior

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To: Pushi
Agree. Then its bye-bye !
Respectfully,
21 posted on 03/04/2002 6:52:23 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: FreedomWarrior
Bump to a well written article. Dell is not trying to stay within export laws. They simply don't give a damn.
22 posted on 03/04/2002 7:06:35 AM PST by PatrioticAmerican
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To: The_Victor
Na, my fav with the pre-PC mag (even have a 20-rounder extra):

Okay, it's not as pretty, but it's a hell of a workhorse and very compact.

23 posted on 03/04/2002 7:08:13 AM PST by Quila
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To: Quila
"Dell did the most you could expect from a large corporation in a tight market."

Wanna bet? I bet Dell does not do squat to ensure this never happens again. As far as they are concerned, one oops is not enough to justiy further action that will cost them time and money. Having workd several decades in the industry, I know Dell well enough to know that only major corporate customers, who buy 100's, if not 1,000's, of computers each year, will receive their full attention. Millions of gun owners? Dell does not care. They receive the vast majority of their income from gun-hating corporations, and they know that the majority of gun owners are too lazy to care.

24 posted on 03/04/2002 7:10:36 AM PST by PatrioticAmerican
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To: 4ConservativeJustices
I chose not to spend my money at K-Mart, and will not buy anything from S&W. If those companies manage to survive, more power to them. Same for Dell.

Dell's not my favorite either. I was just talking economics. Of course, various things are banned at our home. The wife won't allow products from companies that test on animals, and I won't allow other things for various political & ethical reasons. Sadly, our anti-China policy is only partially effective. I'll have to do better.

25 posted on 03/04/2002 7:11:23 AM PST by Quila
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To: Harrison Bergeron
So let's see, is it Dell or the US Government that assumes a foreign national would start a company named "Combat Nuclear Missles to deliver Plutonium" and then order a laptop computer delivered to a US address?
26 posted on 03/04/2002 7:13:50 AM PST by anothergrunt
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To: Sloth
My thoughts exactly when I read their statement too! Another freep? Also how does this statement effect churchs and religious organizations that want to participate?
27 posted on 03/04/2002 7:18:19 AM PST by sausageseller
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29 posted on 03/04/2002 7:32:30 AM PST by Registered
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To: OldFriend
Have we come to the point where every company must agree with us or else...

No, just with the US Constitution.

30 posted on 03/04/2002 8:14:38 AM PST by NY.SS-Bar9
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To: FreedomWarrior
Sorry everyone, but here it goes. I though of this while running. This guy ought to rename his computer store:

Chips N Clips

31 posted on 03/04/2002 8:21:01 AM PST by Psycho_Runner
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To: OldFriend
"Have we come to the point where every company must agree with us or else."

You bet. Blacks got influence far beyond their 1/8th of the U.S. population by holding the always at-least-implicit threat of boycotts over any company that didn't do what they wanted - and, sometimes, didn't donate to black causes.

We now have a platinum opportunity to make Corporate America think long and hard before offending us - just as they would about offending blacks. Unlike our boycott that has nearly broke S&W, Dell is a company full of Internet-savvy people from top to bottom - and not in an isolated industry. You can bet lots of Dell employees at all ranks emailed all their friends within the first 48 hours - in all sorts of industries - about how fast "those rednecks" organized effectively and started hounding Dell. We now have credibility we never had before with the elites. Use it!

32 posted on 03/04/2002 8:23:22 AM PST by glc1173@aol.com
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To: FreedomWarrior
Steven Buys a Firearm
Dell Refutes Allegations of Support for HCI
33 posted on 03/04/2002 8:27:24 AM PST by TheDon
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To: Sender
Dell's process excludes reviews for "guns" or "firearms."

My question is, was this before or after Wiegands order ? This is the only sentence that isn't past tense.

34 posted on 03/04/2002 8:44:01 AM PST by VRWC_minion
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To: FreedomWarrior
So now we're "net gunnies"? I kind of like that.
35 posted on 03/04/2002 8:48:27 AM PST by wcbtinman
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To: Quila
Two Athlon computers together?
Don't you call that a "Biathlon"?
36 posted on 03/04/2002 9:01:51 AM PST by Redbob
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To: anothergrunt
"So let's see, is it Dell or the US Government that assumes a foreign national would start a company named "Combat Nuclear Missles to deliver Plutonium" and then order a laptop computer delivered to a US address?"

I understand your question to be of the sarcastic rhetorical variety, but there's a serious answer. The federal government - via the ITAR - puts the onus on businesses to know to whom they are shipping technological equipment (even PCs) and for what they are being used. Yes, this is unenforceable for all practical purposes, but to not flag an order to "Combat Weapons Incorporated" or whoever for scrutiny and follow-up would be malfeasance and an invitation to trouble by the letter of the ITAR. It used to be a nice, neat, enforceable little set of regualtions that were easy to understand and follow. Unfortunately, the Clinton administration removed the oversight of international weapons shipment from the military attaches at the State Department over to the political hacks at Commerce (Can you say "Ron Brown?) The result is you can send nuclear weapon technology to China, but could end up getting dragged down in a bureaucratic quagmire if you're an international concern and you do any business involving firearms.

37 posted on 03/04/2002 9:03:42 AM PST by Harrison Bergeron
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To: Sender
Two big problems with the Dell "apology":
"We have tried to make it right with our customer by giving him a free computer for his trouble and inconvenience."

Sounds like they gave him a free computer, right?
Wrong! Mr. Weigand refused the 'bribe'.

"Dell as a company remains neutral on handgun rights and handgun control."
What other Constitutional rights do you suppose Dell is "neutral" on? How about freedom of speech and of religion? How about the 4th Amendment? Slavery: do you suppose they're 'neutral' on slavery?

Their apology is merely their expression of sorrow that they got caught at this hyprocritical attempt to discriminate against gun owners.

38 posted on 03/04/2002 9:08:37 AM PST by Redbob
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To: OldFriend
"We are becoming like the liberals who forced Tropicana Orange Juice to stop advertising on Rush."

D*mn right we are!
We're slowy learning that confrontational tactics like that get results, and that's what we've got to do to advance our agendas.
Lead, follow, or get out of the way!

39 posted on 03/04/2002 9:12:56 AM PST by Redbob
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To: Sender
Dell is still lying through their teeth, anybody that buys a Dell must love liars.
40 posted on 03/04/2002 9:34:47 AM PST by Texbob
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