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Mourners Gathering At Site Where Danielle's Body Was Found: (Post van Dam News Here)
Union Tribune ^ | March 1, 2002 | Seth Hettena

Posted on 03/01/2002 4:04:47 PM PST by FresnoDA

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To: goldenstategirl
"There is such a coldness there that even Westerfield does not possess."

Do you have your own test for this? How do you go about determining this?

601 posted on 03/03/2002 12:20:00 AM PST by Greg Weston
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
Don't you know that if the Van Dam's had flunked the test you would have a bunch of their bashers here going "SEE SEE!!!". It sounds to me like these people aren't interested in being fair at all. I imagine that alot of these types were around during the Salem witch "trials" going "SEE SEE!!!" "Maybe this maybe that" stirring up hysteria. Very disturbed people IMHO.
602 posted on 03/03/2002 12:36:17 AM PST by Greg Weston
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
"Your immature taunts don't fool me, nor do they bother me. I laugh at your pathetic attempts to get me into a ''so called flame war''. :)"

That's Fresno's MO Kim.

When someone walks in and shakes up his little fiefdom, either he, or one of his sycophants taunts you into a flame war while the rest push the abuse button on you.

Don't bother him with facts, he's not into facts. Just look at the two letters after Fresno...think of a not-too-smart donkey.

603 posted on 03/03/2002 5:13:07 AM PST by Luis Gonzalez
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
Gee it wouldn't be the first time.
604 posted on 03/03/2002 5:40:15 AM PST by Jaded
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Ah, yes, these pics sure give us insight into the sincerity of the VDs--NOT!

Sorry, Luis, nice try. On the other hand, I have no doubt Danielle's brothers are devastated. They have no hand in the awful things that probably went on in that household. And whatever they were, one suspects we'll start hearing about from less impeachable sources soon. (Not that any of you would accept it even if it came from the Pope himself.)

605 posted on 03/03/2002 5:52:45 AM PST by MizSterious
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To: FresnoDA
Stunning information, Fresno--this article should have been posted on its own. It seems to have been written before they found the body, but it has information other articles have not. And I do note that they don't tiptoe through the "swinger" tulips at all. To those who watched America's Most Wanted last night: was there any mention of Damon's "guest" that night?
606 posted on 03/03/2002 5:57:55 AM PST by MizSterious
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Not in the headlines, true enough, but in the body of the story, there is in fact mention of it--even though it's put forth with great delicacy.
607 posted on 03/03/2002 6:00:48 AM PST by MizSterious
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To: Luis Gonzalez
That's Fresno's MO Kim. When someone walks in and shakes up his little fiefdom, either he, or one of his sycophants taunts you into a flame war while the rest push the abuse button on you. Don't bother him with facts, he's not into facts. Just look at the two letters after Fresno...think of a not-too-smart donkey.

Thanks for the MO warning. I kind of figured that out... I guess jim rob would have to spend all day keeping that kind of attitude off of his forum. (DA?? LOL!)

608 posted on 03/03/2002 6:05:01 AM PST by Freedom2specul8
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To: rolling_stone, wirestripper, quimby
Thanks guys..I've enjoyed meeting you all, and sharing ideas/information. It's kind of hard to debate someone or some of these people when facts (comments from the police dept for example) are refuted with gossip and innuendos though. (1/2 the time the ''facts'' were ignored...but apparently that's what their MO's are)..that's a shame.

I think I'll go buy a National Enquirer today! ::wink::

609 posted on 03/03/2002 6:08:20 AM PST by Freedom2specul8
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To: golitely
How do you know what when on in that household? The mom said they were hurtful rumors!

11. February 8, 2002

SWINGING:"Nothing would get in between me checking on my children. It's a rumor. I don't know why people would want to be hurtful."

On top of dealing with a missing child, the van Dams are the subject of rumors that they are involved in a swinging club, where couples typically engage in sex with other couples. "This is in no way related to the investigation," Brenda van Dam said. "Nothing would get in between me checking on my children. It's a rumor. I don't know why people would want to be hurtful."

610 posted on 03/03/2002 6:13:08 AM PST by Freedom2specul8
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To: golitely
feb 7th, the perp hired his attorney. Feb 9th, ricky roberts spewed his venom...and trashed the parents and distracted his poor gullible and naive listeners.

It appears to me that the dates are not coincidental.

611 posted on 03/03/2002 6:15:34 AM PST by Freedom2specul8
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To: golitely
PS, those dates are news report dates.
612 posted on 03/03/2002 6:16:15 AM PST by Freedom2specul8
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To: Greg Weston
Great minds think alike! I wrote friday that they were acting like a bunch of puritans.. "here's a witch, there's a witch, everyone's a witch witch". LOL

It's really scary to see so many people following a local DJ whose ratings are soley based on inflammatory subjects. Even when the OJ conspiracies sprang forth (OJ was set up don't ya know), or the oklahoma bombing conspiracies (McVeigh had help from foreigners)..most of the people speculating, guessing and almost believing the conspiracies had the guts to admit they could be wrong. They weren't in it to look good. They didn't have their reputations on the line..although some taunters did try to insult them. They simply surmised their own theories, and debated based on things NOT from the enquirer..I can tell you that much for sure.

613 posted on 03/03/2002 6:27:03 AM PST by Freedom2specul8
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
''To educate a man in mind and not in morals is to educate a menace to society.'' -- Theodore Roosevelt
614 posted on 03/03/2002 6:30:55 AM PST by Freedom2specul8
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To: Greg Weston
Do you have any credible evidence to back up your own reality?

Yah, I thought not, too.

For those who are confused about what a discussion forum is, please do check your English-to-English dictionaries, it's right there under "discussion" and "forum." People come to these boards to...well...discuss. It is not a court of law. It's a court of public opinion. (Sorry if some of us don't hold your opinions, but them's the breaks, as they say.) People toss out ideas, mull them over, discard some that don't meet the smell test, and toss out a few more.

Unfortunately, however, there are some people who never met a counter-theory they wouldn't flame. Some will come right out with it (and end up taking a "time-out"), others are more sneaky, insinuating that anyone who would believe one set of rumors over another set of rumors must be somehow "gossipmongers."

I used those words carefully--because so far, in public and officially, police and other officials have been very tight-lipped--perhaps to protect their case. So the only official statements we have about what went on that night came from people who might (or, to give certain people the benefit of the doubt, might not) have a self-serving reason to say what they did. In many ways, that makes them less valid than rumors.

Westerfield, if guilty, has many reasons to paint himself in a certain light.

The VDs, if the so-called rumors are true, also have many reasons to paint themselves in a certain light.

Rick Roberts might, as some have suggested, be trying to pump up his ratings. Then again, the radio station and Roberts himself is at risk if these stories are lies. Saying they can't be sued because of the 1st Amendment is poppycock: it's happened here in Oklahoma, and it's happened elsewhere. Rick Roberts doesn't strike me as a person who will sit in a jail cell somewhere rather than give up his source(s). And the VDs don't strike me as the kind of people to take this...well...lying down.

The one group of people who have no real reason to alter the truth of what went on that night have not yet spoken, but I suspect they will. Those are the people who know the parties involved, those who were at the bar, and those who lived close-by. Perhaps a swinger or two will come out of the woodwork, but I doubt it. Nevertheless, one way or the other, I think over the next few weeks and months, we're going to find out a lot more. Ready or not, here it comes.

615 posted on 03/03/2002 6:34:46 AM PST by MizSterious
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To: Southflanknorthpawsis
Hey that guy dancing down in the corner looks like DW.</>

Did you notice that all the "guys" connected with this story have that "van gogh" mustache/beard deal?

616 posted on 03/03/2002 6:35:19 AM PST by demsux
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To: Valpal1
As most people are aware, passing a lie detector test is not exactly definitive. It's not even possible to use such tests in court. Remember the infamous Susan Smith? She is said to have passed one or two such tests. Some people are so in control of their reactions that they can make hash out of any of these machines. Sociopaths, for instance, are said to be very good at this.
617 posted on 03/03/2002 6:38:17 AM PST by MizSterious
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To: wirestripper
"Her story has morphed a bit."

It's almost as though they think that if they change it a little bit here, and a little bit there, maybe no one will really notice all the discrepancies. Many here obviously do not, so apparently it's working fairly well so far. Clintonesque, almost.

618 posted on 03/03/2002 6:46:33 AM PST by MizSterious
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To: Southflanknorthpawsis
Someone mentioned the other day that in swinger groups, it's not considered "good manners" for one spouse to swing without the other spouse being along. I wonder if that's true, and if so, if his wife was doing that, how Damon might have taken it.
619 posted on 03/03/2002 6:48:48 AM PST by MizSterious
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To: Southflanknorthpawsis
Remember the DJ's story about the man in the parking lot? You don't suppose that might have been Westerfield?? (That is, if the story is true...)
620 posted on 03/03/2002 6:52:20 AM PST by MizSterious
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