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Liberal Drama, Conservative Comedy, the West Wing and more
Various | March 1, 2002 (and earlier) | Various and Darth Reagan

Posted on 03/01/2002 12:59:49 PM PST by Darth Reagan

I ran across an old column on Salon about The West Wing. In that column, the writer muses that Conservatives can do comedy and Liberals can do drama:

There are, of course, exceptions to every rule, but, generally, when liberal politics intersects with dramatic entertainment, the results can be pretty good. TV drama in the '80s was dominated by "St. Elsewhere" and "L.A. Law," and today by "The Practice" and "The West Wing." When conservatives do drama it comes out as "The A-Team" or "Red Dawn" or "The Omega Strain" or, even worse, "Rambo."

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"Murphy Brown," "Ellen," and "Designing Women" verged at times on the unwatchable. "M*A*S*H," one of the best shows ever to appear on television, always sagged whenever Alan Alda began his sensitive political philosophizing.

And as antithetical as it may seem, conservatism makes for great sitcom characters. Archie Bunker was much funnier than Meathead and Gloria. George Jefferson grounded "The Jeffersons," and Alex P. Keaton, played to incorrigible Reaganite perfection by Michael J. Fox, created the humor that was in "Family Ties." Even "The Simpsons" fills its shows with endless tweaking of the liberal agenda. (In one famous instance, Sideshow Bob is sent back to prison screaming that one day he'll walk the streets again because you can't keep the Democrats out of office forever.) And the most conservative character on television is, unquestionably, Hank Hill from "King of the Hill."

So what's the truth? Are liberals better at writing quality drama (except maybe good action movies)? What are some examples of conservative dramatic movies and television programs?


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To: Darth Reagan
Andromeda. I don't know if it's left or right wing, but the women are hot, the guns are big, and the main character's a Spec Ops guy.

How can you go wrong?

21 posted on 03/01/2002 1:46:31 PM PST by Mr. Thorne
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To: xkaydet65
Now Babylon 5 was definitely conservative, almost libertarian at times (little "l", not "L"). That was a well-written, well-acted drama, that also used humor at times to make it's point. I miss that show.....
22 posted on 03/01/2002 1:48:17 PM PST by tarawa
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To: tarawa
I suspected Babylon 5 was conservative, but didn't follow it enough to really come to that conclusion. Magnum P.I. was basically conservative, but didn't get around to arguing conservatism. Though I do remember an episode where Magnum is clearly reading National Review with Jack Kemp on the cover.
23 posted on 03/01/2002 1:50:16 PM PST by Darth Reagan
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To: Darth Reagan
Archie and Alex Keaton and Hank Hill are liberal invented. They are for the audience to laugh at not laugh with.
24 posted on 03/01/2002 1:52:42 PM PST by RightThinkinDood
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To: Darth Reagan
How about The Fugitive? Individualism v. the incompetent government. Cop shows often have conservative themes and characters, such as NYPD Blue with Sipowicz, or Third Watch, with Bosco.
25 posted on 03/01/2002 1:53:39 PM PST by Looper
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To: xkaydet65
Can't make up my mind about Law & Order and whether or not it's conservative. I think Lenny (Jerry Orbach) comes across as conservative and so usually does Jack McCoy (Sam Waterston). Angie Harmon's character definitely was a conservative. The show's had so many different themes and episodes, it's hard to label. It is a tough on crime show and they do seek or threaten the death penalty from time to time, so that would tend toward conservative, but you're right in that there are class-warfare-type themes as well, and instances of the government overreaching and coercing when there's not an applicable criminal statute.
26 posted on 03/01/2002 1:59:17 PM PST by Looper
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To: Mr. Thorne
Andromeda. I don't know if it's left or right wing, but the women are hot, the guns are big, and the main character's a Spec Ops guy.

No show creatted by Gene Rodenberry is purposely conservative.
The Star Trek series (ST, TNG, Voyager) were some of the most liberal programing I've seen. (No money, multi-culturalism, benevolent government, entitre planets of hipiess...)
The newer series, Earth Final Conflict and Andromeda have more conservative themes, probably because Rodenberry isn't around anymore. In EFC, we have the world governments and police collaborating with the "benevolent aliens", who are really colonialists.
Andromeda is more complex. It is multi-culti, but the systems commonwealth seemede like a fairly loose federal system. The whole concept of Republics or Commonwealth's falling is important. (I would still prefer people read Plybius and Cicero....)
The New Star Wars movies seem pretty good on this theme of the fall of a Republic into anarchy, mob rule, and despotism.

Babylon 5 was a good show and fairly conservative for Sci-fi. On the other hand, the whole Alliance thing should make us take heed.

27 posted on 03/01/2002 2:20:54 PM PST by rmlew
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To: ABG(anybody but Gore)
Trey Parker and Matt stone oiuted themselves as socially liberal libertrarians in a Reason interview.

The smoke conservatives too.
The Church is a bad joke, and the gun issue is a recurring nightmare.

Besides, the least liberal kid is Eric Cartman for God's sake.

28 posted on 03/01/2002 2:23:38 PM PST by rmlew
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To: Ipberg
LAW AND ORDER is a conservative drama

I suppose you missed all the episodes that went after:
Anti-abortion groups (4-5 times)
the gun industry
the militia movement
and Christian universities

Many of the DA's were anti-death-penalty and the jurisprudence is always left-of center.

Law and Order show written by Manhattan Liberals, who can't stand the radicals.

29 posted on 03/01/2002 2:26:57 PM PST by rmlew
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To: Darth Reagan
"M*A*S*H," one of the best shows ever to appear on television, always sagged whenever Alan Alda began his sensitive political philosophizing.

  Till the day they hit me over the head with a shovel, I will never comprehend the popularity of this show.

And even though it was produced in the seventies during my much more liberal twenties, I always found the production values amateurish, the "acting" even more so, and God knows I couldn't stomach Alan Alda's oh-so-smarmy leftist mugging and preening.

If there are any FReepers out there who were (or are) fans of this so-called "classic" TV show, please tell me what I missed.

30 posted on 03/01/2002 2:29:31 PM PST by Fintan
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To: Darth Reagan
Simpson's
Family Guy
South Park
King of the Hill
Futurama

And thats just the Cartoons. And I miss Beavis & Butthead. I wish that was in syndication.

31 posted on 03/01/2002 3:32:53 PM PST by Phantom Lord
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To: rmlew
South Park is great. I can't remember which creator, Trey or Matt, but one of the said that their dream in life is to go on Crossfire and debate a liberal. Wants to call them a "Liar" in Cartman's voice.

That is a Crossfire I would watch.

32 posted on 03/01/2002 3:35:04 PM PST by Phantom Lord
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To: Phantom Lord
I thinbk Futurama has gotten kind of weak.

I preffer Daria to Beavis and Butthead.

33 posted on 03/01/2002 3:39:03 PM PST by rmlew
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To: Ipberg
I'm not a viewer but I've also heard TOUCHED BY AN ANGEL and SEVENTH HEAVEN are conservative dramas.

Seventh Heaven is one the most left-wing shows on TV today. The preacher-husband is always proven wrong by his touchy-feely mantra-spouting lib wife, all the men are boobs, conservatives are always portrayed as extremists, whites are incapable of clear thought, minorities are always noble and beyond reproach, and every third episode is a lefty commercial for gun control, hate-crime legislation, affirmative action, racist whites, name it.

It used to try to disguise its politics as an undercurrent of the main focus of the episode. Over the last couple of seasons, it has given up all the illusions, prefering to put it all out in front.

34 posted on 03/01/2002 6:06:42 PM PST by Cable225
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To: xm177e2
Comedy is based on logic, drama is based on emotion

What an interesting observation, and I agree completely. Comedy is all about premises and truths and absurdities, and there are a lot of logical elements that must align very precisely for it to be effective. Drama, on the other hand, just has to feel right.

35 posted on 03/01/2002 6:45:56 PM PST by Yardstick
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To: Yardstick
Comedy is all about premises and truths and absurdities, and there are a lot of logical elements that must align very precisely for it to be effective.

Comedy is all about making new (il)logical connections between things. You have to make the connection yourself for the joke to be funny, that's why jokes are less funny when you don't understand them and then someone explains them to you.

36 posted on 03/01/2002 7:03:41 PM PST by xm177e2
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To: Darth Reagan
Are we counting movies here? The Patriot gets my vote for conservative drama.
37 posted on 03/01/2002 7:15:34 PM PST by Brett66
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To: veronica
I thought you might have something to contribute here, so

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38 posted on 03/01/2002 7:24:53 PM PST by Long Cut
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To: xm177e2
Comedy is all about making new (il)logical connections between things.

Yeah, that seems about right. I wonder why making such connections is funny?

39 posted on 03/01/2002 8:13:17 PM PST by Yardstick
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To: rmlew
It's probably just the fact that I like Nietcheans (sp). Might as well have a race called Machiavellians.

Am in agreement re: ST series in general, excepting the first series (they were constrained by the network, as I recall, as to what they could get away with showing). That's probably just because lefty circa 65 is libertarian/conservative circa 2002.

Also agree that the only reason Adromeda gets away with being as conservative as it is, is because GR is dead. Otherwise, we'd have Dylan reasoning with the bad guys instead of dropping Nova Bombs.

And Tyr would be a Republican (somehow, he'd manage it).

Thought the 'no money' concept of ST's later incarnations idiotic. Even the Childe Cycle novels had something REPLACING currency (service contracts), not simply it's elimination. Perhaps if GR had tried to explain what exactly Federation trade was based upon, I might have paid more attention.

More series that are at least tolerable (IMHO) to libertarians/conservatives:

Special Unit 2
Enterprise
CSI
Who's Line Is It Anyway? (Carey is a self-proclaimed Libertarian)

40 posted on 03/04/2002 5:14:25 AM PST by Mr. Thorne
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