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Apparent Remains Of Danielle Found: (11:00 P.M. Update)
Union Trib ^ | February 27, 2002 11:00 P.M. | Jeffrey J. Ros

Posted on 02/27/2002 10:38:50 PM PST by FresnoDA

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To: wirestripper
looks kinda like Hillary, don't she? around the eyes and mouth. Maybe post a side-by-side (I can't from work)
61 posted on 02/28/2002 3:49:04 AM PST by fnord
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To: FresnoDA
The news reports from last night showed, and mentioned, a lot of trash in the immediate area. This could be important. If it was a common dump site, seems like someone would have seen something. Believe it or not, a lot of trash can be traced back to the owner, or time-stamped as to when it was dumped. Will be interesting to hear more details.
62 posted on 02/28/2002 3:52:22 AM PST by fnord
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To: FresnoDA
I will never forget the dad on KFI radio whispering angrily to the mom when she was giving what he apparently thought was too much detail about the night Danielle went missing. He sounded like someone who had a lot he wanted to hide. Very creepy, controlling. There's a lot more to this story to be revealed, I think.
63 posted on 02/28/2002 4:02:21 AM PST by Moonmad27
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To: MeeknMing
How sad. That poor little girl had to be terrified. I can't even imagine my reaction had, God forbid, anything like that happened to my little girl. I would be ape-$hit. My reactions would be nothing like those of her parents.

It still boggles my mind that the wife saw that the security system had been breached and didn't do at the very least do a perfunctory search. Mrs.Lone and I do that every night we go to bed just out of habit from when our two were babies and just don't feel comfortable if we don't at least peek in at them.

64 posted on 02/28/2002 4:07:15 AM PST by LoneGOPinCT
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To: Moonmad27
I think you are on to somethin Moon
65 posted on 02/28/2002 4:08:26 AM PST by DooDahhhh
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To: wirestripper
Looks like they're thinking, "ha-ha, we fooled them, didn't we hon?"

I see no grief in their eyes.

67 posted on 02/28/2002 4:45:47 AM PST by fivecatsandadog
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To: Moon
I've read the reports about the parent's activities the night she was abducted. The alarm system indicated it had been breached, not once, but twice. As a mother, my first thought would have been to check on my kids. They did not even look in on them until the next morning. I do not understand this aspect of their behavior. That being said, my heart breaks for their loss of this beautiful little child

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68 posted on 02/28/2002 4:49:32 AM PST by duffi
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To: Moonmad27
Have there been ANY indications of this dad struggling to maintain his 'composure' throughout the ordeal??? Most men I know, would be borderline-basket cases if their kid turned up missing or presumed injured/dead.
69 posted on 02/28/2002 4:58:02 AM PST by mommadooo3
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To: FresnoDA
A deputy district attorney says a panel of prosecutors is weighing the death penalty in the case involving the disappearance of Danielle van Dam.

Let's hope they have the cojones to pursue the death penalty. If not, then just let him go free, so that the father, if he has a shred of honor left in him after all that has been disclosed about his lifestyle, can do what should be done and send this child molesting bastard to hell.

70 posted on 02/28/2002 5:00:28 AM PST by LouD
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To: mommadooo3
Most men I know, would be borderline-basket cases if their kid turned up missing or presumed injured/dead.

Good observation, I have never noticed him struggling back tears....Even police who respond to these kinds of things and have to become desensitized to deal with it lose their composure when they come upon children like this. Makes you wonder.

71 posted on 02/28/2002 5:08:25 AM PST by nicmarlo
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To: mommadooo3
Nope. In fact, if you look at the picture in the courtroom, you can notice he is patting her on the shoulder, while she is sobbing. Strange look on his face. Body language counts for alot.

Somehow, and lost in the story, we haven't heard much about the morning Danielle turned up missing when Damon asked a "neighbor" if he had seen Danielle, citing the child "sleepwalked".

SLEEP-WALKING is another reason a parent would check on a child if the security system flashed red, IMHO.

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72 posted on 02/28/2002 5:12:28 AM PST by spectre
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To: wirestripper
i was wondering what did danielle's parents do for a living, i had seen pictures of the san diego home and i assume to live in san diego you must be well off, but they did not strike me as that type. same as the devil killer was he a big moneymaker............just curious.
73 posted on 02/28/2002 5:22:26 AM PST by angcat
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To: wirestripper
What is it that bothers me about that picture?

Do you have a wierd feeling about these parents too? I just annoys me that a father would be in the house while the child is being kidnapped and not hear a thing but conveniently wakes up when his wife comes home and joins the party and doesn't even check on the child. I am not saying that Westerfield didn't do it. I am sure he did - he is pond scum - but I don't think the parents are all that innocent in this.

74 posted on 02/28/2002 5:27:12 AM PST by areafiftyone
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To: onyx
One of my son's lives right off Dehesa Road approximately 1 mile from the site where Danielle was dumped; another son lives in Sabre Springs. Too close to home on both fronts. Sickening story. Gruesome.

It does hit home big time when someone you know is in the neighborhood, doesn't it? My brother lives in Rancho Cordova. When Nickolai Soltys was found to have killed all those folks in that area last year, I sent my brother an e-mail to find out how close to him. He said the folks were killed about 1 mile from his house and about 2 blocks from his sons apartment.

In 1996, a woman in my town murdered her two sons. Stabbed them to death. She and her husband worked at the same company I did in the late 80s, early 90s. I knew Darin, her husband, better than I knew her. Her name was Darlie Routier and she was found guilty here in Texas and now sits on death row waiting. . .

75 posted on 02/28/2002 5:28:46 AM PST by MeekOneGOP
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To: mommadooo3
Most men I know, would be borderline-basket cases if their kid turned up missing or presumed injured/dead.

You are right. Look at John Walsh and his wife. She had to be sedated and he trashed his hotel room. You could see the anquish on their faces everyday.

76 posted on 02/28/2002 5:30:00 AM PST by areafiftyone
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To: FresnoDA
This is so unbelieveably sad.... my heart breaks when I think about my own girls, just about her age (one year younger and one year older), and if something were to happen to one of them.
77 posted on 02/28/2002 5:30:40 AM PST by Terriergal
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To: FresnoDA
From the Institute of Law, Psychiatry and Public Health - University of Virginia

Title: The Sexualy Sadistic Serial Killer

Dr. Janet Warren, Robert Hazelwood, Special Supervisory Agent of the FBI National Center for the Analysis of Violent Crime, and Park Dietz of the UCLA School of Medicine have completed a study of the sexually sadistic serial killer. The research was based on twenty men who demonstrated enduring patterns of sexual arousal to images of suffering and who had killed at least three victims in at least three separate incidents. Together, these men were responsible for 149 murders throughout the United States and Canada. They represent a distinctive type of serial murderer whose expertise and thoroughness make them a particularly dangerous threat to society. Their murders, remarkably consistent over time, reflected sexual arousal to the pain, fear and panic of their victims. Choreographed assaults allowed them to intrude into and control their victims' deaths. Some of the men reported that the sense of being God-like and in control of the life and death of another human being to be one of the most exhilarating aspects of their crimes.

Of the sample, 95 percent were white males and 65 percent came from middle class backgrounds. However, at least half had familiy histories that included infidelity and divorce, suggesting that chaotic or unstable early life are more likely to be associated with these offenders that lower class origins. Unlike other types of sex offenders, sexually sadistic serial murderers generally had no arrest record prior to their arrest for murder. This fact, combined with their highly specific criminal intent, makes their identification and apprehension especially difficult.

The sample revealed that these men usually displayed numerous other paraphilias -- such as voyeurism, obscene phone calls, exhibitionism and fetishism -- simultaneously with their sadistic behavior. Consistent violent fantasies, featuring a ritualized, repetitive core, were present in 85 percent of the group. The assimilation of the core fantasy into repetitious behavior across successive murders suggests that the fantasies are the script followed by the offender during his crime. Evidence of such scripted behavior can be useful in linking offenses by the same offender. Similarly, 75 percent of the murderers in the study kept collections of a violent theme, including audiotapes, videotapes, pictures or sketches of the subject's sadistic acts, sexually sadistic pornography or various types of weapons. Discovery of such a collection can help prove the perpetrator's guilt. Finally, the study helped dispel the belief that such men were "insane." Instead, it was shown that the majority of these men engaged in extensive patterns of anti-social behavior in adult life, suggesting that their criminal behavior extends from character pathology rather than psychosis.

78 posted on 02/28/2002 5:31:16 AM PST by Woodstock
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To: LoneGOPinCT
How sad. That poor little girl had to be terrified. I can't even imagine my reaction had, God forbid, anything like that happened to my little girl. I would be ape-$hit. My reactions would be nothing like those of her parents.

It still boggles my mind that the wife saw that the security system had been breached and didn't do at the very least do a perfunctory search. Mrs.Lone and I do that every night we go to bed just out of habit from when our two were babies and just don't feel comfortable if we don't at least peek in at them.

It is a shame.

You and your wife's habit is what normal parents do. These guys are not like most people I think. From watching them on the TV, I never thought that they killed the girl or had anyone do it, though. I haven't followed this case real closely, so I may be missing relevant info, I don't know. . .

79 posted on 02/28/2002 5:36:52 AM PST by MeekOneGOP
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To: angcat
the father is an engineer and the mother is a stay at home mom.
80 posted on 02/28/2002 5:39:23 AM PST by Freedom2specul8
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