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To: ShadowAce
How does an infant, who you claim is born a sinner, get into heaven without repentance?

and

How can an infant be brought to repentance when he is not capable of understanding what sin is or what repentance is?"

I don't know what RnMomof7 has "claimed", but the infant has a "sin nature" but is not a "sinner" since sin is a willful violation of known moral law and an infant by definition hasn't yet done that.

So, the grace of God covers all (infants, small children, retarded children and adults) who do not have the capacity to sin or to repent until they do.

To paraphrase an analogy from an earlier post. God does NOT make crippled people and then send them to Hell because they don't walk straight. Only our Calvinist construct defender friends have to think that way.

964 posted on 03/01/2002 11:37:00 AM PST by winstonchurchill
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To: winstonchurchill
"God has given us this gospel not merely for the purpose of securing to us life hereafter, but of making us sure of this life even now. It is a true and sure gospel; so that he who believes it is made sure of being saved. If it could not make us sure, it would make us miserable; for to be told of such a salvation and such a glory, yet kept in doubt as to whether they are to be ours or not, must render us truly wretched. What a poor gospel it must be, which leaves the man who believes it still in doubt as to whether he is a child of God, an unpardoned or a pardoned sinner! Till we have found forgiveness, we cannot be happy; we cannot serve God gladly or lovingly; but must be in some bondage or gloom."

"This is the view of the matter which Scripture sets before us; telling us that salvation is a free, a sure, a present gift. "He that believeth is justified" (Acts 13:39). "He that believeth hath everlasting life" (John 3:36). The Bible gives no quarter to unbelief or doubting. It does not call it humility. It does not teach us to think better of ourselves for doubting. It does not countenance uncertainty or darkness."

"Old John Foxe, who three hundred years ago wrote the history of the martyrs, remarks concerning the Pope's Church that it "left the poor consciences of men in perpetual doubt" (volume 1. page 78).

"This is a true saying. But it is true of many who earnestly protest against the Church of Rome. They not only teach doctrines which necessarily lead to doubting, and out of which no poor sinner could extract anything but uncertainty; but they inculcate doubting as a humble and excellent thing; a good preparation, nay, an indispensable qualification, for faith. The duty of doubting is in their theology much more obligatory than that of believing. The propriety and necessity of being uncertain they strongly insist upon; the blessedness of certainty they undervalue; the sin of uncertainty they repudiate; the duty of being sure they deny."

Garbled... BACKWARDS/UPSIDE-DOWN!

968 posted on 03/01/2002 11:45:53 AM PST by f.Christian
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