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To: Ward Smythe
"In our human natures we may violently disagree. But Christ is our bond and we all long for the day when we will be with Him forever."

While your motives are commendable, I have an honest question.

How can we worship the same God if we don't agree on who He is.

For there is a critical difference between a God who
a) allows children to be born whom He has willed to a life without His Grace and an afterlife of Hell as their punishmet for His choice, or
b) allows each child to be born in the hope that they will accept His offer of grace to all men.

If He truly is the former, then He is an utterly different being than the God non-Calvinists love and worship. I personally consider the attributes given Him by Calvinists to be an insult to Him.

89 posted on 02/26/2002 5:26:09 PM PST by SKempis
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To: SKempis
I personally consider the attributes given Him by Calvinists to be an insult to Him.

Well, start by naming 1!

92 posted on 02/26/2002 5:31:18 PM PST by CCWoody
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To: SKempis;CCWoody
If He truly is the former, then He is an utterly different being than the God non-Calvinists love and worship. I personally consider the attributes given Him by Calvinists to be an insult to Him.

Actually many of us would say that it is an insult to God to deny Him the sovereign rights over HIS creations..and instead to stand helplessly by while His sinful creation makes their choice.

Man was created not because God was lonely and needed company we were created for His glory.

Could you tell me how it is fine that man can decide to "accept" Christ or to "deny "Christ..but only a powerles god is acceptable to you?

Did not God choose Noah?,Did not God choose Abraham? Did not God choose Issac over Ishmael? Did not God choose Jacob over Essau? Did not God choose to pass over the eldest and select Juda for the spiritual blessing? Did not God choose to remove the tribe of Dan and replace it? Did not God choose to harden the heart of Pharaoh? Did not God choose the death of the soldiers of Egypt? Did not God choose the death of the male infants in Egypt?

Did not God choose the method of salvation?Did not God choose Israel? Did God not choose Mary ?

At what point did God give up His sovereignity?

93 posted on 02/26/2002 5:40:52 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: SKempis
I personally consider the attributes given Him by Calvinists to be an insult to Him.

As do I. And they likewise consider attributes given Him by Wesleyans to be an insult.

I have sharp disagreements with the Calvinists here, but I believe they are my brothers and sisters in Christ.

115 posted on 02/26/2002 7:24:34 PM PST by Ward Smythe
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