[CCWoody]

The insinuation is that God makes them so they cannot come or that they do not want to come. Either way they cannot do anything about it.

Ummm!, Ward, not that I cannot respond, I'd like to see your answer to this: Did God make anybody so that they did not want to come?

Would you say that God is the creator of all?
Would you say that God knew his elect from the foundations of the world?
Would you say that God knew the non-elect from the foundations of the world?
Would you say that only the elect can come to God?

[Ward Smythe]

Did God make anybody so that they did not want to come?

There's the argument. Would you say he did?

I would say no, He did not. But He gave them the choice to say no.

(I'm not bailing on you here, and there's more to that, but I've got to sign off for tonite)