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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
How can the child possibly be "Innocent", "for all have sinned".

Ezekiel 18

The Soul Who Sins Will Die

1 The word of the LORD came to me: 2 "What do you people mean by quoting this proverb about the land of Israel:

" 'The fathers eat sour grapes, and the children's teeth are set on edge'?

3 "As surely as I live, declares the Sovereign LORD , you will no longer quote this proverb in Israel. 4 For every living soul belongs to me, the father as well as the son-both alike belong to me. The soul who sins is the one who will die.

764 posted on 02/28/2002 8:35:01 PM PST by xzins
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To: xzins, CCWoody, RnMomof7, Jerry_M, the_doc
How can the child possibly be "Innocent", "for all have sinned"? ~~ Ezekiel 18 The Soul Who Sins Will Die

Now, what was your point? Were you attempting to wrest the meaning of Ezekiel to promulgate some heresy suggesting that not all have sinned?

The Bible, of course, rebukes you.
All have sinned.

Any theological claim to the contrary, is a doctrine of demons.

766 posted on 02/28/2002 8:53:41 PM PST by OrthodoxPresbyterian
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To: xzins
One more pass before bed ..On Ezekiel 18 .from Calvin

So that every one is lost in himself, and if he wishes to contend with God, he must always acknowledge that the fountain of the curse flows from himself. For before the child was born into the world, it was corrupt, since its menial intelligence was buried in darkness, and its will was perverse and rebellious against God. As soon as infants are born they contract pollution from their father Adam: their reason is blinded, their appetites perverted, and their senses entirely vitiated. This does not immediately show itself in the young child, but before God, who discerns things more acutely than we do, the corruption of our whole nature is rightly treated as sin.

There is no one who during the course of his life does not perceive himself liable to punishment through his own works; but original sin is sufficient for the condemnation of all men. When men grow up they acquire for themselves the new curse of what is called actual sin: so that he who is pure with reference to ordinary observation, is guilty before God: hence Scripture pronounces us all naturally children of wrath: these are Paul's words in the second chapter of the epistle to the Ephesians, (Ephesians 2:3.) If then we are children of wrath, it follows that we are polluted from our birth: this provokes God's anger and renders him hostile to us: in this sense David confesses himself conceived in sin. (Psalm 51:5.) He does not here accuse either his father or his mother so as to extenuate his own wickedness; but, when he abhors the greatness of his sin in provoking the wrath of God, he is brought back to his infancy, and acknowledges that he was even then guilty before God. We see then that David, being reminded of a single sin, acknowledges himself a sinner before he was born; and since we are all under the curse, it follows that we are all worthy of death. Thus, the son properly speaking shall not die through the iniquity of his father, but is considered guilty before God through his own fault.

good night

767 posted on 02/28/2002 8:55:50 PM PST by RnMomof7
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