[Jerry_M]

"First, there is a caution that God tells us in Romans 1 ("For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse")that those to whom the Gospel of Christ is not presented will be judged on a different basis -- and we don't know much about what that is."

Good grief man!

What a poor reading of Romans Chapter One. They are "without excuse" because they have demonstrated that natural man never gets it right without the intervention of God. Don't stop reading in Chapter One, continue at least into Chapter Three and you will see that this is Paul's argument: All the world stands guilty before God.

You have just demonstrated why we Calvinists are the true evangelizers. You believe that men who don't hear the Gospel will be judged by a different standard than those who do. As a result, why preach the Gospel? After all, God will resort to "Plan B".

We, on the other hand, recognize that it is only by the power of the preaching of the Gospel that men are saved. Thus, we search the globe looking for those with whom to share this good news. We know that man apart from the Gospel is lost, and that it is the preaching of the Gospel that is the instrumentality that God uses to actually save.

And you guys accuse us of holding to an un-Biblical "construct"? Arminian lies.

[Ward Smythe]

Thus, we search the globe looking for those with whom to share this good news.

Jerry, I have attempted to step out of this argument and I won't be drawn back into the specifics here. But take a look back at this afternoon while you were out and see how effective your compatriots were in sharing the good news.

Reconcile that with how anyone is supposed to take you seriously. The truth no longer mattered this afternoon, only a shallow "victory" because the Arminians left the thread.