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To: CCWoody
Actually, I read the NIV version of the Bible. Please tell me then, what is the point of Christ's Great Commission, if only the few elect have already been pre-destined? What is the point of missions at all, if God has already chosen who was to go to heaven and who was bound for hell? Freedom in Jesus Christ means freedom from the bondages of slavery to sin. That is true freedom and is even better than political freedom.

John 3:16-17 states, "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son that whoever believes in shall not perish, but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him."

The Bible does not say there, "The few elect." It says the world, or all people.

In 1 Timothy 2:3-4, it states that "This is good, and pleases God our Savior, who wants all men to be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth."

Nor does the Bible say there, "The few elect."

As for the Calvinist belief that once people are saved, they stay always saved, that is not true either. In the Bible it says in the beginning that Saul had the Spirit of God within him and it also says that he fell away. Take also for the example, that of King Joash in 2 Chronicles, that is a similiar story there.

484 posted on 02/28/2002 9:41:04 AM PST by FreedominJesusChrist
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To: FreedominJesusChrist
Nor does the Bible say there, "The few elect."

How is it then that the world has more non Christans ,and more unsaved than saved..where is the "all"

489 posted on 02/28/2002 9:51:38 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: FreedominJesusChrist
...what is the point of Christ's Great Commission...

To call His elect!

Freedom in Jesus Christ means freedom from the bondages of slavery to sin. That is true freedom and is even better than political freedom.

So, are you saying that in Christ Jesus we have freedom, but without Christ Jesus we have the bondage of sin? How can one under the bondage of sin become free on his own merit?

In 1 Timothy 2:3-4, it states that "This is good, and pleases God our Savior, who wants all men to be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth."

BTW, if you read this verse that Jesus wants all men without exception to be saved, then this verse, in its proper context, must also teach that we are to pray for the very overthrow of the PROPHECIES of the book of Revelation.

Nor does the Bible say there, "The few elect."

Correct, my Bible say THE elect. My NIV, which I don't really like much, even has the word Predestination. I guess that means you have false beliefs contrary to even your Bible. What do you plan to do about this?

490 posted on 02/28/2002 9:52:28 AM PST by CCWoody
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To: FreedominJesusChrist; CCWoody
I see that there is another one grace the scene who doesn't believe that one can believe the entire Bible.

Why do we evangelize (and Calvinists are the leaders in this field!)? Because of what the Bible says.

Why do we believe in the unconditional election by God of some to salvation? Because this is what the Bible says.

I notice you quoted John 3:16,17. Good. Now, go look at those verses within the context of Jesus' conversation with Nicodemus. Do you notice that Jesus is talking about the need for a "new birth"? Do you realize that "new birth" is from God? We don't just wake up one morning and say "I think I will be born again today."

502 posted on 02/28/2002 10:24:01 AM PST by Jerry_M
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