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To: Ward Smythe; xzins
"Are you guys afraid if we see all five points at once we'll know what you're really saying?"

Of course not, why do you think that I posted the website with the material we were using as the basis for this discussion? (You really should see just how silly your objection is, as to your points about authority, they are totally out of line, and not deserving of further comment.)

How about my characterization of your beliefs, do you think that I got that right? Are you afraid that I might really know what you guys believe?

419 posted on 02/28/2002 6:24:00 AM PST by Jerry_M
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To: Jerry_M
Of course not, why do you think that I posted the website with the material we were using as the basis for this discussion?

When I went there, you were surprised at my reaction.

Now, xzins is trying to put it more simply. But for some reason you guys don't want us to see the picture as a whole.

Afraid that you might find out what we really believe. Now that's silly. Didn't you read the article or did you just jump on midstream? This whole thread is about what we believe. It's clearly stated in Wesley's sermon:

The grace or love of God, whence cometh our salvation, is FREE IN ALL, and FREE FOR ALL.

xzins started a discussion of TULIP. Or perhaps you started it when you posted the link.

And ever since he has been asking you to help him define what you really meant by it. You continue to try to sidetrack him.

425 posted on 02/28/2002 6:35:39 AM PST by Ward Smythe
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