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To: Jerry_M, WhiteMountain,Xzins,Rnmomof7, George W.Bush,Aruanan
In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will: - Ephesians 1:11 Yep, I am nutty enough to believe it. We wonder, however, why you aren't.

Well, I guess you are nutty because that passage is not saying what you want it to say. Do you see the word salvation anywhere in the text? I see the word inheritance not salvation!

Moreover, 'worketh' is not forordaining. We know that 'all things work together for good' because it is God doing the working despite the resistance of His own creatures, both angelic and human (Rom.8:38-39)

As for his 'the council of His own will'all that means is that God alone made the Plan, for His pleasure (Col.1:16,Rev.4:11)

However, man can reject this 'council'

But ye have set at nought all my council, and would none of my reprove (Pro.1:25) They would none of my council: they despised all my reproof (Pro.1:30) But the Pharisees and Lawyers rejected the council of God against themselves being not baptized of him (luke 7:30)
Now, the word 'Predestinate' is used four times, Rom.8:29,30, Eph.1:5,1:11. Where is the word 'salvation' anywhere near any of them?

Eph.1:5 has 'adoption' but that happens as a result of salvation (Gal.4:5-7) Eph. 1:11 refers to an inheritance. Rom.8:29-30 being conformed to the image of His Son. These are not salvation passages but dispensational passages dealing with the status of the Church age believer.

Still, the ultimate root of your system is God's all encompassing Decree that decided everything in the past by His directive will, both good and bad, including those who would be saved and those who would not. Thus, there are no real choices made by anyone but God Himself!

Is that a fair assessement?

Why can't you believe John 3:16?

371 posted on 02/27/2002 10:47:23 PM PST by fortheDeclaration
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To: fortheDeclaration, xzins, Jerry_M, the_doc, RnMOmof7, CCWoody
Total Depravity means that Natural Man is totally sinful and does not ever WANT in his own spirit to know Christ

Here we stand.

No procession beyond this point, unless admitted or denied as Biblically correct.

None.

Total Depravity means that Natural Man is totally sinful and does not ever WANT in his own spirit to know Christ

True, or False?

373 posted on 02/27/2002 10:50:15 PM PST by OrthodoxPresbyterian
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To: fortheDeclaration
"Why can't you believe John 3:16?"

Oh, I do. Why can't you believe the context in which John 3:16 is placed?

390 posted on 02/28/2002 5:01:47 AM PST by Jerry_M
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