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To: kcox
"God through his Holy Spirit draws men to the gospel of Christ."

Save that point until we get to "I".

I agree with you about the fact that all theological understanding must begin (and end) with Christ. However, recognize that the "Five Points of Calvinism" were a response to the five objections of the Remonstrants. They are the one who established the order, and wanted to talk about men before discussing God. If the Calvinists were given "first turn" they most probably would have started with God (as is seen in the great Calvinist confessions of faith such as the Westminster Confession which begins with God and His Word, and don't get to man's condition until Chapter VI).

348 posted on 02/27/2002 1:51:46 PM PST by Jerry_M
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To: Jerry_M
Hey folks, I'm out of here. Should be back tomorrow, but if not, then it will not be until Monday due to the fact that I have a 24 hour stint of Police Chaplain duty starting Friday morning.

I look forward to seeing the succinct Arminian objection (or concurrence) with our succinct Calvinist definition of "T".

349 posted on 02/27/2002 1:56:27 PM PST by Jerry_M
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To: Jerry_M
"If the Calvinists were given "first turn" they most probably would have started with God (as is seen in the great Calvinist confessions of faith such as the Westminster Confession which begins with God and His Word, and don't get to man's condition until Chapter VI)."

Good example! A better is Q&A 1 of the Heidelberg Catechism (1563):

What is your only comfort in life and in death?

That I with body and soul, both in life and death, (Romans 14:7,8) am not my own, (1 Corinthians 6:19) but belong unto my faithful Saviour Jesus Christ; (1 Corinthians 3:23; Titus 2:14) who, with his precious blood, has fully satisfied for all my sins, (1 Peter 1:18,19; 1 John 1:7; 1 John 2:2,12) and delivered me from all the power of the devil; (Hebrews 2:14; 1 John 3:8; John 8:34-36) and so preserves me (John 6:39; John 10:28; 2 Thessalonians 3:3; 1 Peter 1:5) that without the will of my heavenly Father, not a hair can fall from my head; (Matthew 10:29-31; Luke 21:18) yea, that all things must be subservient to my salvation, (Romans 8:28) and therefore, by his Holy Spirit, He also assures me of eternal life, (2 Corinthians 1:20-22; 2 Corinthians 5:5; Ephesians 1:13,14; Romans 8:16) and makes me sincerely willing and ready, henceforth, to live unto him. (Romans 8:14; 1 John 3:3)

Jean

350 posted on 02/27/2002 2:03:12 PM PST by Jean Chauvin
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